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Qoniaq

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Double Dragons​

N,N-DMT, homemade Batch 1
Second run


This was the second run with the new material, and by now it was clear that we were working with something entirely different.

We prepared a stronger cart: one gram of DMT dissolved into 0.5 milliliters of propylene glycol. While waiting for the wick to properly imbibe, we sat and talked.

During that conversation, M casually mentioned that during his last trip he had seen oriental dragons.

I stopped.

I realized that I had seen them too.

Not vividly enough at the time to name them, not clearly enough to claim them as imagery—but unmistakably the same signature. Independent recall, converging after the fact. We laughed at the coincidence, then named the batch on the spot:

Double Dragons.

We loaded the cart into the Uni, set it to 4.2 volts, and began.

The first hit was clean and deliberate: a verified fifteen seconds. The second followed, longer, but unmeasured. This batch did not rush. It arrived the way the previous night’s handshake and trip had promised—like a warm, comfortable blanket settling over the nervous system, not a rocket igniting beneath it.

The power was immediately apparent.

A field of crystalline flecks appeared, suspended in space. Each crystal intensified, gained color, then exploded outward into kaleidoscopic cascades—reds, purples, greens, blues, colors stacked on colors, textures folded into textures. The entire visual field churned and recomposed itself continuously, not chaotically, but exuberantly.

This was the deepest visual experience of my life.

There was very little cardiac acceleration. The transition felt natural now, almost routine. Whatever fear had once accompanied the onset was gone, replaced by a kind of practiced ease. M described the batch as DMT-HD, and the description fit perfectly. Compared to the purchased material, this was not a marginal improvement. It was a different resolution altogether. Where the older batches offered fractals, this offered entire universes of color and surface detail.

The soundtrack was Tassili Players — A Wonderful World of Weed and Dub. It sat under the visuals without scaffolding them. This was not absorption. This was spectacle, but spectacle of extraordinary clarity.

At some point, something unexpected happened.

As the visual field continued to morph, I realized I could blink—not with my physical eyes, which were closed, but with my attention. A deliberate mental blink. When I did, the entire visual field froze, like a camera shutter snapping a photograph. The image held perfectly still for an instant, then resumed its self-transforming motion.

I repeated this several times. Blink. Freeze. Release.

It felt less like control and more like discovering a feature that had always been there.

There were no entities during the main phase of the trip. No instruction. No communication. Just color, texture, motion—an ecstatic overload of visual bandwidth.

Later, after the session had ended and the dust had settled, I remembered something I hadn’t registered at first.

There had been an entity.

A female presence. Bluish in tone. Sensual, angular, moving in time with the music. Her gestures were precise and expressive—pointed fingers, held poses—suggestive of classical Indian dance, with a faintly Thai aesthetic layered in. She did not speak. She did not intrude. She danced, briefly, and was gone.

No dragons this time. Just the echo of the name.

Technically, the batch had been extracted using Ronsonol fuel. The next batch would be done with laboratory-grade naphtha, out of curiosity more than necessity. From 100 grams of Mimosa hostilis root bark, the first pull yielded pure white material. The second and third pulls, slightly more orange. The latter pulls were water-washed. No recrystallization seemed necessary. Purity was more than sufficient for vaporization.

The conclusion was unavoidable.

This material was not just effective.
It was alive.

The Professor​

Symbol Suppression and Aesthetic Overflow

Noteworthy here is the absence of symbolic content. No mythic narrative, no archetypal drama. Circuit V–VI imagery gives way to raw Circuit VII aesthetic play.

This is consciousness enjoying its own processing power.

The late-appearing dancer fits the pattern of non-instructional entities—forms that arise as expressions of rhythm and embodiment rather than teachers or gatekeepers.

“High-Resolution Zones”

Some regions do not offer insight, answers, or transformation.

They offer clarity.

Travelers are advised not to ask what such zones mean. They do not mean anything. They are simply showing you what the equipment can do when properly calibrated.

Photography is discouraged. Mental screenshots may occur anyway.

REPORT ENDS.
 
Interesting report.

What influenced your choice in using a LLM for the final edit? I'd love to know how your raw, personal style of expression would come over in its own right, however. Did you perhaps use speech-to-text processing? I can understand how a busy person might want to use these incredible time-saving tools, but can't help feel that something has been lost in translation. It seems sanitised, more like advertising copy.

Yeah that discussion's all a bit 2025 - "when was the last time anyone saw a trip report from me", would be an equally valid question
:ROFLMAO:
 
Interesting report.

What influenced your choice in using a LLM for the final edit? I'd love to know how your raw, personal style of expression would come over in its own right, however. Did you perhaps use speech-to-text processing? I can understand how a busy person might want to use these incredible time-saving tools, but can't help feel that something has been lost in translation. It seems sanitised, more like advertising copy.

Yeah that discussion's all a bit 2025 - "when was the last time anyone saw a trip report from me", would be an equally valid question
:ROFLMAO:
I have created 4 canonized characters to comment on my trips. I read my journal into GPT rather than type, but the words are mine. for comments, I have made a professor, who is trained on the writing of Leary, Ram Dass, Metzner, Burroughs and Anton Wilson. I have specified what texts to access, and what voicing to use. I have a techician, based on modern published university and college texts. I have canonized the works of Tillerman, Gallimore, Strasssman, etc. the integrator voice is based on the courses I have followed and am following to become a facilitator and integrator myself. I scanned everything and copied all the texts over. this voice must not veer from canon. finally, the guide voice is irreverent, and must not downplay any of the entries, and must focus on single points that are not crucial to the report. I have been training GPT for months on this.
 
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I'd personally prefer much more to read those journal entries, even if imperfect. We are here to interact with other humans, after all :)
I can't help my eyes glazing over once I notice one of the characteristic styles of popular LLMs. Do as you prefer, of course, they are your reports after all. But I think many people would strongly prefer to read your raw human output.
 
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I'd personally prefer much more to read those journal entries, even if imperfect. We are here to interact with other humans, after all :)
I can't help my eyes glazing over once I notice one of the characteristic styles of popular LLMs. Do as you prefer, of course, they are your reports after all. But I think many people would strongly prefer to read your raw human output.
Not if you saw my journals. They’re gloriously disjointed. They grow the way Deemz crystals grow. All over the place, and often crammed into the corner of the pyrex plate. There are drawings and diagrams, half-legible notes, arrows pointing to other arrows, sudden call-outs to old movies, song titles scribbled with urgency, post-it notes, the occasional recipe, animal names, all ready to be scraped with a razor blade for later consumption…. You name it, it’s probably in there. Also, they are never ‘finished’. Sometime I re-read a report, and I get waves or further memories and add them. I must have a dozen Moleskin journals at this point.

So I have started to read them into GPT after a light edit—mostly triage, not beautification. Then I scan the originals. The instruction is explicit: keep the reports as they were entered. If I add to a previously entered report, I instruct it to merge, as needed, and to show me the side by sides each time. Not to edit. The style is mine. Grammar gets corrected for the parts I type in by hand due to my sausage fingers. GPT is allowed change my paragraphing as needed, and commentary is permitted only through the established voices—the Guide, the Professor, the Technician, the Integrator—each staying true to canon. And I have to ask for them, it is not allowed to change reports other than the bits I mentioned earlier. I add to the voices' canon regularly, they are getting much more ‘consistent’ in their feedback. Especially the Integrator, as I am still adding my course material as I get it.

The images follow the same rule. I scan every sketch, every crude diagram, every “this made sense at the time” glyph, letter, piece of cultural meaning. Those scans become the bases for more detailed renders, because I am not, by any means, a visual artist. I throw it scribbles, and iterate, and iterate and re-iterate until I see what was in my head. But nothing is invented outright. Every image is a direct descendant of a pencil mark that already existed. ( See the 2 attached files as an example.) Each report word is mine. I use GPT as a secretary, design team, collector, date stamper, and grammar guru. But that’s it. What it is particularly good at is compare and contrast; So I can say, find me all the trip reports where song’’ABC’’ was playing. Or cross reference all my reports with M’s, find the days we both reported similar experiences. Show me the list of all the trips I have done on Mondays vs Saturdays, are there any qualitative differences to report etc. Let’s see day trips vs night trips…

For a space case like me, it’s a godsend!

I have been creating a visual canon as well. Specific hexagonal shapes, textures, color pallets, characters, lettering, architecture, materials, etc. I upload tons of imaging that speaks to me, ask for this image described as a prompt, and then I edit them to my need, and canonize them word for word for later referencing. Not the images, the prompts. So I can apply a certain treatment I saw on one image to another, mix and match my visions.

Voila. The content is all mine, I just us GPT to refine, draw, compile and compare.
 

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Not if you saw my journals. They’re gloriously disjointed. They grow the way Deemz crystals grow. All over the place, and often crammed into the corner of the pyrex plate. There are drawings and diagrams, half-legible notes, arrows pointing to other arrows, sudden call-outs to old movies, song titles scribbled with urgency, post-it notes, the occasional recipe, animal names, all ready to be scraped with a razor blade for later consumption…. You name it, it’s probably in there
You're making it sound good, actually!

You do you. To be clear, I'm not trying to imply the contents don't come from you. I'm just not very interested in engaging with material that shows the common LLM stylistic hallmarks (including this last post). But I'm not everyone, other people may not care or even prefer it. I'm just letting you know, as personal feedback, as to me it's a shame to put in the effort you describe for it to be later distorted to conform to LLM-speak.
 
You're making it sound good, actually!

You do you. To be clear, I'm not trying to imply the contents don't come from you. I'm just not very interested in engaging with material that shows the common LLM stylistic hallmarks (including this last post). But I'm not everyone, other people may not care or even prefer it. I'm just letting you know, as personal feedback, as to me it's a shame to put in the effort you describe for it to be later distorted to conform to LLM-speak.
Here is a relatively clean page...
 

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Not if you saw my journals. They’re gloriously disjointed. They grow the way Deemz crystals grow. All over the place, and often crammed into the corner of the pyrex plate. There are drawings and diagrams, half-legible notes, arrows pointing to other arrows
Journals? In all honesty, I hardly manage to keep my random scraps of paper in one room, so you sound to me like someone who could give me a few organisational tips! This puts me very much in a position to appreciate your decision to apply a technological fix to your situation.

I do get a strong sense that you'd find a significant personal benefit in re-parsing the LLM output back into your own style via that old school medium of cerebral wetware, however!

Dare I say, it would help to gain a sense of personal autheticity with respect to the experience - something which, in my view, is an essential component of the incursions into novelty that could be said to lie at the heart of the psychedelic experience, in contrast to the fundamental re-hashing of pre-existing material that rather defines the way LLMs operate.

It is rather fascinating that we, as humans, are communicating through a balanced combination of tried-and-tested verbal formulas, and novel permutations of both word juxtapositions and, on occasion, smaller semantic units - latter of which gives rise to endless novel coinages (with, for some reason "PonzAI scheme" and the countless "slop-" portmanteaus like, maybe, "sloponomics" springing to mind as recent examples…)

OK, I'm at risk of veering way of into the bushes with this - being on my fourth cup of delicious-but-potent Gyokoro green tea at the moment - so I hope you'll forgive the excursion and take the overall point into consideration. Did you see those recent studies, by the way, that appear to have indicated that excessive reliance on LLMs as outsourced thinking tools may well have an adverse affect on brain function? Does the construction of your particular use case incorporate features that help you to avoid that scenario and maximise your personal benefit?

There was more, but parental duties intercede at this point. Peace!
 
Journals? In all honesty, I hardly manage to keep my random scraps of paper in one room, so you sound to me like someone who could give me a few organisational tips! This puts me very much in a position to appreciate your decision to apply a technological fix to your situation.

I do get a strong sense that you'd find a significant personal benefit in re-parsing the LLM output back into your own style via that old school medium of cerebral wetware, however!

Dare I say, it would help to gain a sense of personal autheticity with respect to the experience - something which, in my view, is an essential component of the incursions into novelty that could be said to lie at the heart of the psychedelic experience, in contrast to the fundamental re-hashing of pre-existing material that rather defines the way LLMs operate.

It is rather fascinating that we, as humans, are communicating through a balanced combination of tried-and-tested verbal formulas, and novel permutations of both word juxtapositions and, on occasion, smaller semantic units - latter of which gives rise to endless novel coinages (with, for some reason "PonzAI scheme" and the countless "slop-" portmanteaus like, maybe, "sloponomics" springing to mind as recent examples…)

OK, I'm at risk of veering way of into the bushes with this - being on my fourth cup of delicious-but-potent Gyokoro green tea at the moment - so I hope you'll forgive the excursion and take the overall point into consideration. Did you see those recent studies, by the way, that appear to have indicated that excessive reliance on LLMs as outsourced thinking tools may well have an adverse affect on brain function? Does the construction of your particular use case incorporate features that help you to avoid that scenario and maximise your personal benefit?

There was more, but parental duties intercede at this point. Peace!
I rely on my journals. I write regularly, and consciously put time aside for it. always have. They are coming in very useful for integration work...I'm chuffed I've followed through all this time.
 
Hi Qoniaq,

your post intrigues me.


About he dragons:

Three friends have tried a batch of changa recently and all of them reported seeing or feeling oriental dragons.

One of them describes the creatures as small and swimming through the air, with rakshasa/oni demons like faces. Big protruding canines, a giant smile and big eyes. They liked to go near his face.

Another said that one dragon took him for a ride.

The third one said that the dragon was into a big coin with two holes, he entered into one of them and saw the creature.

I saw one too way back in the beginning of my experimentations, he had iridescent feathers all around his head, the big grin and the bulging eyes, he was really colourful and giant. I found myself face to face with him. He was surely oriental themed but I did not see his body so I can't confirm he was a dragon but had the same facial features.
He reassured me that I had nothing to fear and gifted me a beautiful flower with a crystal double helix stalk sprouting from his cupped hands. It was one of the most gentle encounters of my life.


About fingers and hand gestures:

I have a feeling that this things we see are a way of our biological system to teach us ancient and instinctive ways to change or regulate itself.

Think about mudras, the gestures that tibetan monks do while praying, that are said to be used to manipulate the energy chanted with the mantras, connecting the flows of the various elements in the body and changing its state.

I have once found myself emerging from the trance with my hands jointed in a mudra like position. Sometimes now I use it to ground myself while meditating.
Other times my hands move and the tips of the fingers touch in very specific ways.
Recently I had a really tight muscle on my shoulder, asked changa how to deal with it and it showed me a miriad of fingers that converged into a specific shape, my hands started moving with it, followed it, my body moved along and I found myself stretching that specific point in a new and really efficent way, decreasing the tension.

These substances weren't used as drugs by the populations from which we've borrowed them.

These things were used as medical diagnostic tools, as receptacles of a knowledge that's openly accessible if one listens carefully enough.


About the sketches and notes:

Love them!! More people should draw and write what they experience instead of using AIs. They're hollow.

It's your personal way of expressing and understanding yourself, it's like a mirror that helps you to see your mind even well.

Your style is only yours, like a fingerprint, so even if someone doesn't like it, it's only his personal opinion, nothing else.


Thank you!!

☀️
 

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Hi Qoniaq,

your post intrigues me.


About he dragons:

Three friends have tried a batch of changa recently and all of them reported seeing or feeling oriental dragons.

One of them describes the creatures as small and swimming through the air, with rakshasa/oni demons like faces. Big protruding canines, a giant smile and big eyes. They liked to go near his face.

Another said that one dragon took him for a ride.

The third one said that the dragon was into a big coin with two holes, he entered into one of them and saw the creature.

I saw one too way back in the beginning of my experimentations, he had iridescent feathers all around his head, the big grin and the bulging eyes, he was really colourful and giant. I found myself face to face with him. He was surely oriental themed but I did not see his body so I can't confirm he was a dragon but had the same facial features.
He reassured me that I had nothing to fear and gifted me a beautiful flower with a crystal double helix stalk sprouting from his cupped hands. It was one of the most gentle encounters of my life.


About fingers and hand gestures:

I have a feeling that this things we see are a way of our biological system to teach us ancient and instinctive ways to change or regulate itself.

Think about mudras, the gestures that tibetan monks do while praying, that are said to be used to manipulate the energy chanted with the mantras, connecting the flows of the various elements in the body and changing its state.

I have once found myself emerging from the trance with my hands jointed in a mudra like position. Sometimes now I use it to ground myself while meditating.
Other times my hands move and the tips of the fingers touch in very specific ways.
Recently I had a really tight muscle on my shoulder, asked changa how to deal with it and it showed me a miriad of fingers that converged into a specific shape, my hands started moving with it, followed it, my body moved along and I found myself stretching that specific point in a new and really efficent way, decreasing the tension.

These substances weren't used as drugs by the populations from which we've borrowed them.

These things were used as medical diagnostic tools, as receptacles of a knowledge that's openly accessible if one listens carefully enough.


About the sketches and notes:

Love them!! More people should draw and write what they experience instead of using AIs. They're hollow.

It's your personal way of expressing and understanding yourself, it's like a mirror that helps you to see your mind even well.

Your style is only yours, like a fingerprint, so even if someone doesn't like it, it's only his personal opinion, nothing else.


Thank you!!

☀️
thanks so much for the awesome reply! and the artwork! love it!! I use Mudras and kuji no In as well, and like you, they appear organically. most of my trips end with my hands In a thank you in front of my face. the bent thumbs touching against my eye sockets. sometimes I will keep a certain hand posture sometimes not. I try and not direct my trips any more than I need to. I go by feel and feeling.
thank again for reading and your responses.
cheers!
 
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