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Edited: 250g MHBR A/B with n-Heptane. Cold and warm pulls
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Kalitechnik
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is there some consensus on that topic around Nexians?
Better go with direct practical experience rather than consensus on this particular instance. Since @acacian works with, uh, acacia that's a different ballgame compared with MHRB, which is so easy that it can lull people into a false sense of security about extracting in general.
For the first extraction I got another 250mg, so total yield about 4.2g of 250 g bark.
2nd extraction I changed my plans a bit. Went straight to mini A/B in an attempt to get as clean as possible for vape juice. And boy did it come out clean. What I scrape up is completely white, dry and smells almost nothing. Yield just 2.2g though. But very clean only slightly yellow vape juice
2nd extraction I changed my plans a bit. Went straight to mini A/B in an attempt to get as clean as possible for vape juice. And boy did it come out clean. What I scrape up is completely white, dry and smells almost nothing. Yield just 2.2g though. But very clean only slightly yellow vape juice
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For the first extraction I got another 250mg, so total yield about 4.2g of 250 g bark.
2nd extraction I changed my plans a bit. Went straight to mini A/B in an attempt to get as clean as possible for vape juice. And boy did it come out clean. What I scrape up is completely white, dry and smells almost nothing. Yield just 2.2g though. But very clean only slightly yellow vape juice
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This may have gone a little out of control 
This came up as a subject in one of my recent Aya ceremonies. How crazy this is. With my infrequent use, I will never have to extract again.
The bigger lesson in the Aya session may not be the DMT extraction itself, but how I go intense into things sometimes. I need to curb my enthusiasm. I was even considering writing down a tek, but don't want to be cocky. It’s only my second extraction project. Some of you may remember how my last extraction project ended almost a decade ago.
But now, how do I best store this long term? Air tight jar with silica gel pads in a dark place?
This came up as a subject in one of my recent Aya ceremonies. How crazy this is. With my infrequent use, I will never have to extract again.The bigger lesson in the Aya session may not be the DMT extraction itself, but how I go intense into things sometimes. I need to curb my enthusiasm. I was even considering writing down a tek, but don't want to be cocky. It’s only my second extraction project. Some of you may remember how my last extraction project ended almost a decade ago.
But now, how do I best store this long term? Air tight jar with silica gel pads in a dark place?
I haven't read the whole thread but wanted to drop a few thoughts.
It'll likely be more efficient to lower the amount of plant matter you're using. I never do more than 100g at a time. If I want more DMT in one go, I just run tandem extractions. The most I've done at once was 5 extractions at 100g. Ending yield was around 8g.
Adding a salination phase increases ionic strength. Add it before basification.
Lately, I've been adding about 100ml of non-polar solvent, tumble, allow to separate, tumble, allow to separate, and then the same one more time the then perform the pull.
You're doing a great job! Keep it up!
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It'll likely be more efficient to lower the amount of plant matter you're using. I never do more than 100g at a time. If I want more DMT in one go, I just run tandem extractions. The most I've done at once was 5 extractions at 100g. Ending yield was around 8g.
Adding a salination phase increases ionic strength. Add it before basification.
Lately, I've been adding about 100ml of non-polar solvent, tumble, allow to separate, tumble, allow to separate, and then the same one more time the then perform the pull.
You're doing a great job! Keep it up!
One love
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Ruffles
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This may have gone a little out of control
The bigger lesson in the Aya session may not be the DMT extraction itself, but how I go intense into things sometimes.
But now, how do I best store this long term?
Impressive yield. Thank for sharing.
I think of it as an obsession, a fascination. Making it taking it feeling it.
Try making the other variants from some of that so you can explore the other routes of consumption.
Do all you said plus freeze it.
Kalitechnik
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what do you mean tha you went straight to mini a/b?For the first extraction I got another 250mg, so total yield about 4.2g of 250 g bark.
2nd extraction I changed my plans a bit. Went straight to mini A/B in an attempt to get as clean as possible for vape juice. And boy did it come out clean. What I scrape up is completely white, dry and smells almost nothing. Yield just 2.2g though. But very clean only slightly yellow vape juice
and man , nice white yields !
Blind_Goat
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Why the dilution with citric acid? To prevent oxidation resulting in a more stable solution? Also, I really recomend using natural terpenes as a vehicle for DMT, since Ejuice can lead to Evali
You got a nice yield and very decent crystals. Props to you.
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Adding citric acid to freebase in PG allows the pH of the mixture to be adjusted to 7 (neutral), making the vapour much smoother than the alkaline freebase.
Do you have any further information about using natural terpenes as a vehicle for DMT? That's a pretty broad definition, and not one that should come without a few caveats, such as some of them being allergen sensitisers, and many - if not all - of them having their own particular bioactivities. This topic would deserve its own thread, I'm yet to assess the precise relevance of these two old-ish threads:
Terpenes as vape solvent
Greetings Friends! I’ve had this account on here for quite a few years now and I feel silly for not being more active but sometimes life sweeps up your time and energy! Gratefully DMT has re-entered my life and I wanted to share with you my current method of vaporization. I’ve used the GVG...
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Blind_Goat
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Very interesting insight, but I wouldn't use it (in my personal use) since it is dispensable and potencially one more thing that could hurt my body that could just not be there (I like to be minimalist with the substances I use from a harm reduction point of view), but I would test it for sure just to have the experience.
Yes, I'm aware of this, but since I need a vehicle, I rather prefer using a thing that I already am exposed (since I vaporize cannabis everyday although it has much lower amounts of terpenes) than VG/PG/vitamin E/etc which have already been proven to have the ability to harm the lungs and even render them unusable in record time (more than conventional cigarettes). Perhaps it is a foolish fear and a relevant part of the population does not have genetics that will react so badly to these components or even the number of usages with DMT cannot be compared to a nicotine juice user, but given the evidence already gathered, I follow the path that seems safer to me based on the knowledge that is available so far. Really, the best thing would be not to use anything with the DMT or even not to use anything at all, although users of this forum seem to have already banned this last and second option.
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Citric acid is literally a crucial component of the metabolic cycle of virtually every single living organism, so I wouldn't worry about it too much
Meanwhile, you'll vape "terpenes"?
I'll ask again, could you please go into a little more detail about your use of terpenes as a vehicle for DMT?
I took 3-4 pulls of heptane, added it to a acidic solution (distilled water and vinegar) in a 1 liter flask to “backsalt” it. Then added lye and started pulling again with fresh heptane.
Very clean product, but last extraction i didn’t and also got mostly white product. What seemed to make a difference was
- No heat at all when pulling, pulling at room temp with heptane.
- 3 shorter boils of the bark instead of 4 x 4 hours.
- less lye.
I forgot to add this. Atm only whole bark seem to be available. I bought one of these electric herb grinders, and worked brilliantly to shred the bark.
Blind_Goat
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"In asthma patients, microaspiration of acid into the lower airways (ie, airway acidification) causes such respiratory responses as cough and bronchoconstriction. The mechanism of bronchoconstriction induced by airway acidification is unknown, although evidence is emerging that increasing proton concentrations in airway tissues can activate a subpopulation of primary sensory neurons"
(In: The American Journal of Medicine - Mechanisms of citric acid-induced bronchoconstriciton) [https://www.amjmed.com/article/S0002-9343(01)00816-6/abstract]
"After exposure to CA [Citric Acid] and NaOCl, body weight loss was observed but recovered. Two males died in the CA [Citric Acid] 2.00 mg/L group and, two males and one female died in the 2.00 mg/L NaOCl group. In the gross findings and histopathological analysis, discoloration of the lungs was observed in the CA exposed group and inflammatory lesions with discoloration of the lungs were observed in the NaOCl exposed group."
(In: National Library of Medicine - National Center of Biotechnology Information - Assessment of acute inhalation toxicity of citric acid and sodium hypochlorite in rats) [Assessment of acute inhalation toxicity of citric acid and sodium hypochlorite in rats]
As we know, thermal degradation of citric acid can form harmful components (citraconic anhydride?), but to be fair terpenes can degrade and form harmful components too. As I said, I already inhale lots of terpenes so I rather prefer to inhale 1 bad substance than 2 or 3... but yeah, its just for my personal use and harm reduction, so I can be overreacting or just being plain dumb. Until now it is working fine for me. If I have any health problems related to my harm reduction strategy I surely will post here, for knowledge reasons.
I can try, but I'm not a professional chemist, just an enthusiast.
What I do is I warm my terpene (a local brand that was distilated from natural herbs and contains only pure terpenes) to 60ºC (140ºF) and I introduce my DMT freebase. Typically I would use 2ml of terpenes to 1mg of DMT. I mix it until DMT is completely diluted and that's it. I save it in a syringe and when I need to use it, I have a Vaporesso Skysolo which is enought for the job.
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Blind_Goat
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Your crystals are white, pretty and glowy, like a magical potion. How long do you think they'll last? I'm willing to see your tek or even a detailed tutorial video (of a new or a already disseminated tek), because I really liked your DMT freebase quality and quantity
In terms of usage, my best guess would be the rest of my life. At least up til now, my use is not very often. And I dont have any friends that partake to share it with. I've done Ayahuasca allot more than spice. (and still kinda prefer that). I like to explore vaping after oral Harmalas though, and Pharmahuasca at some point. I have enjoyed Changa in the past, but I suspect separately administration of Harmalas is more optimal.
I have allot of time on my hand recently, the extraction sort of became an obsession. This was the result of 1kg bark in total.
As for the citric acid, I am really not concerned. Even if it is harmful in some way, my use is so infrequent that I highly suspect the local airport and highways is causing more damage on my lungs than my vaping.
You obviously missed the bit about "pH7 (neutral)" - i.e. it no longer counts as acidic. It's a neutral citrate salt of DMT:
Thanks. The identity of the herbs used to make the product would be of considerable interest. Does this product have a particular flavour?
I'll hold off with getting too pedantic about the usage of the terms "pure" and "terpenes" for the moment
Blind_Goat
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I suspect I "obviously missed", in fact. As I said, I'm just guiding myself by the rule of thumb: "Less substances, less potencial harm".
But yeah it really could cause no harm although I do not have the necessary academic knowledge to determine whether or not the non-acidic variety has a harmful effect on the body. I prefer not to use it chronically, although I intend to test it given its good testimonials provided by you.
Sure! Here says: "natural steam-distilled Jack Herer terpenes"
Jack Herer, as we know, is a cannabis cultivar.
As you wish, I'm just trying to learn and follow the harm reduction DMT-Nexus forum policy, but yeah who knows, maybe it's just a bunch of VG and plant flavour which costs 5X the price of ecigs input.I'll hold off with getting too pedantic about the usage of the terms "pure" and "terpenes" for the moment
Blind_Goat
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Very interesting results. I really would like to see a step by step done by you or a video tutorial.
Loved your results.