netizen4891
Rising Star
Hello everyone,
I'm an experienced psychedelic user with years of work using ayahuasca and high-dose mushrooms (up to 4g natalensis and 12g cubensis). My first ayahuasca experience in Brazil involved a huge glassful and a total ego death—I genuinely thought I was either dead or headed for a mental institution.
About six years ago, I tried to vaporize 5-MeO-DMT for the first time using a crack pipe. I must have burned it, because I damaged my lungs and vocal cords. It took years to heal, and even now I can't sing like I used to. At the time, I also had N,N-DMT (jungle spice, not pure white) in my possession, but I put everything on hold due to fear of more self-harm. I had both samples tested at a professional lab in Vancouver, which confirmed they were the correct substances—my technique was likely the issue. I stored both molecules with desiccant and oxygen absorber packs in an airtight container in the fridge, and forgot about the whole project for six years.
A few months ago, after much research into what went wrong, I decided to try again. I'd seen a post claiming that vaporizing N,N-DMT with a Yocan Orbit was foolproof. Unfortunately, I burned the substance again and injured myself once more, taking nearly two months to recover. I should mention I have asthma and an autoimmune condition, so my body overreacts to inflammation. I later learned that the Yocan Orbit's battery, even at its lowest setting, delivers 3.4V—far too high for DMT.
Then I found a post suggesting using the Yocan Orbit atomizer on a mod box. So I got a GeekVape Aegis Mini, set it to 10W, and as a precaution (to avoid further injury) added a Hubble bubbler with water to cool the vapor. I knew this could condense the DMT and cause some loss, but I preferred safety and figured I could up the dose if needed. I had three experiences: 10mg, 18mg, and 25mg. All were pleasant and safe—no injuries. I realized temperature control is critical, but still suspected I was losing potency, since 25mg felt weak.
Finally, I took the plunge and built an eMesh setup following MintyLove's YouTube videos and website: GeekVape Aegis Mini at 17W, a Mesh Pro RDA with eMesh and a drip tip. Everything went smoothly. I had two experiences on the same day: 10mg, then 15mg. The 15mg was interesting—I felt a vibration pulsing through my energy centers (chakras), rising upward. The experience was unmistakably psychedelic, though only mild open-eye distortions (a bit like mushrooms) and no closed-eye visuals.
Yesterday, my wife agreed to tripsit, so I decided to go for 20mg. I was scared. I set the mod to 19W and inhaled for about 9 seconds, then held the vapor for roughly 10–15 seconds. Then the thought came: *No, no, no, no, no… I don't want to go. I don't want this. I want to reverse course. I never want to do this again.* I exhaled because I felt that holding it longer was intensifying the effects. I think my optic nerve feedback cut out for a split second and returned.
I wanted to interact with my wife but couldn't. I was half-gone, my body limp. But there was no rocket/geforce sensation, no waiting room, no breakthrough—I was still very much present. This was definitely my strongest experience so far. Afterwards, I felt extremely relaxed, all my muscles loosened, and I slept like a baby. Best of all, I checked the mesh and was pleasantly surprised: almost the entire dose was vaporized in one go. No throat, vocal cord, or lung injury—just slight irritation. I drank mullein tea, had a eucalyptus cough drop, and used a Mabis steam inhaler as a preventative measure. Today I feel great. No side effects.
**My main questions:**
1. **Breakthrough dosage on eMesh** – MintyLove suggests ~20mg is a breakthrough dose with pure white crystals, but elsewhere on YouTube and Nexus I see 30–35mg cited for eMesh. Which is accurate? Erowid lists 10–20mg as a light dose (non-breakthrough), though I'm unsure if that's based on eMesh efficiency or other methods like GVG. My 20mg was definitely not a breakthrough, though it was very powerful and ego-challenging. Could my DMT have degraded over six years in the freezer? Or is breakthrough truly in the 30–35mg range?
2. **How long to hold the vapor in your lungs?** AI sources say that within 5–10 seconds, your body absorbs almost all of it, and holding longer just irritates the airways. Others say hold up to 30 seconds. I felt that longer holding did increase intensity—I exhaled early because I got scared. What's the consensus?
3. **Does jungle spice significantly affect dosage?** For example, would 20mg of pure white crystals be roughly equivalent to 25–30mg of jungle spice?
4. I heard that higher dose than 20mg it gets less scary because ego is completely dissolved and doesn't fight back. Is that true? So say 30mg less scary than sub-breakthrough?
Thanks in advance for your insights.
netizen4891
I'm an experienced psychedelic user with years of work using ayahuasca and high-dose mushrooms (up to 4g natalensis and 12g cubensis). My first ayahuasca experience in Brazil involved a huge glassful and a total ego death—I genuinely thought I was either dead or headed for a mental institution.
About six years ago, I tried to vaporize 5-MeO-DMT for the first time using a crack pipe. I must have burned it, because I damaged my lungs and vocal cords. It took years to heal, and even now I can't sing like I used to. At the time, I also had N,N-DMT (jungle spice, not pure white) in my possession, but I put everything on hold due to fear of more self-harm. I had both samples tested at a professional lab in Vancouver, which confirmed they were the correct substances—my technique was likely the issue. I stored both molecules with desiccant and oxygen absorber packs in an airtight container in the fridge, and forgot about the whole project for six years.
A few months ago, after much research into what went wrong, I decided to try again. I'd seen a post claiming that vaporizing N,N-DMT with a Yocan Orbit was foolproof. Unfortunately, I burned the substance again and injured myself once more, taking nearly two months to recover. I should mention I have asthma and an autoimmune condition, so my body overreacts to inflammation. I later learned that the Yocan Orbit's battery, even at its lowest setting, delivers 3.4V—far too high for DMT.
Then I found a post suggesting using the Yocan Orbit atomizer on a mod box. So I got a GeekVape Aegis Mini, set it to 10W, and as a precaution (to avoid further injury) added a Hubble bubbler with water to cool the vapor. I knew this could condense the DMT and cause some loss, but I preferred safety and figured I could up the dose if needed. I had three experiences: 10mg, 18mg, and 25mg. All were pleasant and safe—no injuries. I realized temperature control is critical, but still suspected I was losing potency, since 25mg felt weak.
Finally, I took the plunge and built an eMesh setup following MintyLove's YouTube videos and website: GeekVape Aegis Mini at 17W, a Mesh Pro RDA with eMesh and a drip tip. Everything went smoothly. I had two experiences on the same day: 10mg, then 15mg. The 15mg was interesting—I felt a vibration pulsing through my energy centers (chakras), rising upward. The experience was unmistakably psychedelic, though only mild open-eye distortions (a bit like mushrooms) and no closed-eye visuals.
Yesterday, my wife agreed to tripsit, so I decided to go for 20mg. I was scared. I set the mod to 19W and inhaled for about 9 seconds, then held the vapor for roughly 10–15 seconds. Then the thought came: *No, no, no, no, no… I don't want to go. I don't want this. I want to reverse course. I never want to do this again.* I exhaled because I felt that holding it longer was intensifying the effects. I think my optic nerve feedback cut out for a split second and returned.
I wanted to interact with my wife but couldn't. I was half-gone, my body limp. But there was no rocket/geforce sensation, no waiting room, no breakthrough—I was still very much present. This was definitely my strongest experience so far. Afterwards, I felt extremely relaxed, all my muscles loosened, and I slept like a baby. Best of all, I checked the mesh and was pleasantly surprised: almost the entire dose was vaporized in one go. No throat, vocal cord, or lung injury—just slight irritation. I drank mullein tea, had a eucalyptus cough drop, and used a Mabis steam inhaler as a preventative measure. Today I feel great. No side effects.
**My main questions:**
1. **Breakthrough dosage on eMesh** – MintyLove suggests ~20mg is a breakthrough dose with pure white crystals, but elsewhere on YouTube and Nexus I see 30–35mg cited for eMesh. Which is accurate? Erowid lists 10–20mg as a light dose (non-breakthrough), though I'm unsure if that's based on eMesh efficiency or other methods like GVG. My 20mg was definitely not a breakthrough, though it was very powerful and ego-challenging. Could my DMT have degraded over six years in the freezer? Or is breakthrough truly in the 30–35mg range?
2. **How long to hold the vapor in your lungs?** AI sources say that within 5–10 seconds, your body absorbs almost all of it, and holding longer just irritates the airways. Others say hold up to 30 seconds. I felt that longer holding did increase intensity—I exhaled early because I got scared. What's the consensus?
3. **Does jungle spice significantly affect dosage?** For example, would 20mg of pure white crystals be roughly equivalent to 25–30mg of jungle spice?
4. I heard that higher dose than 20mg it gets less scary because ego is completely dissolved and doesn't fight back. Is that true? So say 30mg less scary than sub-breakthrough?
Thanks in advance for your insights.
netizen4891
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