Efficiency of Mimosa cold water extraction

[watusimanu]

Okay, I tested the cold water extraction. I had added 30ml per gram, and I drank 90ml (so for 3g) with 230mg harmalas.

The strength is excellent. It was considerably stronger and lasted for longer than the same amount in a normal brew. Usually the effects last me for 2h, with the CWE they lasted almost 4h. It felt similarly strong to my pharma dosing (40mg DMT initially and then redosing with 30mg), although it's difficult to make comparisons because the character of the experience is noticeably different.

However, my hopes that it would deliver a more digestible brew didn't materialize. While it had absolutely no sediment without decanting (a major plus), it seemed to have as much tannin as the boiled version. I didn't have much nausea, but I had a very strong stomach pain for almost all the experience.

I think CWE is superior to boiling: the method is simpler and the result seems stronger and especially longer lasting. However, I continue in my search for a way to drink mimosa without too much stomach pain.

Can I ask how long you ended up letting it sit for? I've wanted to try a CWE for a while and this seems really promising!

 

[blig-blug]

Can I ask how long you ended up letting it sit for? I've wanted to try a CWE for a while and this seems really promising!

I'll write down the full procedure I followed here, as @Sakkadelic also asked for it and I realized that I hadn't written it in a very structured way. It's very simple:

1. Put MHRB in some kind of vessel, and add to it 30ml of non-chlorinated water per gram of MHRB. Add a dash of vinegar or lemon juice and shake well.
2. Let it rest for 24h in the fridge or somewhere cool, shaking from time to time.
3. Strain and filter the finer sediments. It's very easy to filter, even a paper towel on top of a strainer will work.

For >200mg of harmalas, I would say 90ml is a moderate dose, but that varies a lot from person to person. If you have no previous experience, I would start with 45ml first, and redose after a couple of hours if it's not strong enough. If you're experienced already with boiled MHRB brews, you can use more or less the same equivalent to grams of MHRB than you have used before, and report if the CWE is indeed stronger or not.

 

[blig-blug]

I forgot to mention adding some vinegar to the water! I have edited the comment to mention that, in case it makes a difference.

 

[Angelicalist]

I am getting Ready for the Cold Brew Tomorrow Night

12.47g of MHRB was just put into a Mason Jar in Preparation for a Cold Brew Extraction that I will be Starting Tomorrow Night in a Walk-In Freezer/Refrigerator at Work.

I am Measuring the Liquid using a Mexican Sprite Bottle that is 355ml, so it will be about 30ml/g. I thought about letting it sit at Room Temperature for 24 Hrs First, but I am not sure if that will Effect it in a Negative way, so I decided against it. I will add some Lemon Juice as was called for in the Recipe provided by @blig-blug

 

[Angelicalist]

I have had the Shredded MHRB Sitting in Room Temperature Water for almost a Week now after the 24 Hours in a Walk-in Fridge.

 

[blig-blug]

It's probably more than ready to consume, then.

 

[Angelicalist]

It's probably more than ready to consume, then.

I’ve just been Busy, I didn’t even get Monday and Thursday Off Work this Week like I usually do.

 

[plumsmooth]

IS someone by any chance going to write this up as a TEc?

 

[blig-blug]

IS someone by any chance going to write this up as a TEc?

I basically did in this previous post: Efficiency of Mimosa cold water extraction
Amounts, durations, etc. are somewhat arbitrary, so it would be good to experiment and optimize them. Unfortunately my sensitivity to Mimosa tannins prevents me from doing so myself.

 

[Jadamiek]

I basically did in this previous post: Efficiency of Mimosa cold water extraction
Amounts, durations, etc. are somewhat arbitrary, so it would be good to experiment and optimize them. Unfortunately my sensitivity to Mimosa tannins prevents me from doing so myself.

If I have 50 g of mimosa, would you mind giving me exact amounts please. I'm brand new and I just boxed my first 50 g. I have no idea why it didn't work cuz I followed the same steps the guy on YouTube did. If you don't mind I would really appreciate that

 

[blig-blug]

If I have 50 g of mimosa, would you mind giving me exact amounts please. I'm brand new and I just boxed my first 50 g. I have no idea why it didn't work cuz I followed the same steps the guy on YouTube did. If you don't mind I would really appreciate that

If you are following the CWE (that is, you want the end result to be a liquid that you'll drink, probably with harmalas), the proportion I used was 30ml of water per g of MHRB. For 50g, that would be 1500ml, 1.5L. As for vinegar, a spoonful is enough.

This is only if you're trying to get a liquid to drink! If you're trying to extract pure DMT, you may have to follow a different approach.

 

[Jadamiek]

How do I make something I can drink? What is the exact process if you don't mind? I've also never done DMT I'm trying to produce it so I can finally experience it but, if there's a different way I'd like to hear about it

 

[blig-blug]

How do I make something I can drink? What is the exact process if you don't mind? I've also never done DMT I'm trying to produce it so I can finally experience it but, if there's a different way I'd like to hear about it

I recommend to look around in the forum and the Wiki: DMT-Nexus Wiki
If you want a single resource, take a look at the handbook, it will answer most of your doubts: Wiki - The Nexian DMT Handbook

I explained the process you're asking about here: Efficiency of Mimosa cold water extraction

 

[Rocky Rockhead]

I've been reading some old threads on using a cold water extraction for Mimosa. The consensus seemed to be that much less tannins and gunk are extracted that by boiling. That makes it very interesting to me, as the reason I stopped using Mimosa is that my body seemed to reject the tannins (egg tek wasn't enough).

However, many people made CWEs with the intention of drinking it without harmalas, something possible with Mimosa that requires a much higher dose to be effective. Thus, I don't know how effective the extraction is when compared to simmering, I only found a single pertinent comment that said around 80%. If it's efficient enough, it could be a perfect option for mimosahuasca.

Does anyone have experience with this? I will experiment anyways, but it would be good to have a starting point.

I made a tincture using everclear and a hot water bath but now reading this I want to try cold extraction into everclear. I want to also try cold extraction with caapi and rue because those make me sicker than mimosa. My caapi tastes gawd awful.

 

[Blimey]

I've had great success with CWE mimosa. I have soaked 7.5g of very roughly ground mimosa in around 250ml of water for around 3 days before decanting and leaving the sludge. The resultant brew was left for 3 more days for further gunk to sink to the bottom, it was then decanted again for consumption. The resultant brew was consumed 50 mins after a capsule containing 200mg of extracted freebase harmalas. I drunk it over the course of about 10 mins. It was fairly astringent but not too tanniny and to be honest, fairly palatable.
Within 20-30 mins I knew it was going to work, I purged once during the come up, but the nausea faded after. What followed was around 5 hours of quality therapeutic solo time in the forest
Having tried brewing mimosa multiple times and using egg-white to remove tannins before reducing to a singe shot, I found the cold water brew much easier (less variables in the preparation), albeit more time consuming. If doing a cold water soak, I would leave out the vinegar, as I have read this can effect the yuremamine, which may have some bearing on it's efficacy.

 

[locked_out_cactus]

Has anyone played with just the cwe mimosa alone? No harmalas?
I've heard murmurs that the yuremamine alone inhibits mao enough for a experience. Less stomach issues and supposedly condensed compared to Aya
Thanks for the research Blig-Blug! Fun stuff

 

[northape]

Has anyone played with just the cwe mimosa alone? No harmalas?
I've heard murmurs that the yuremamine alone inhibits mao enough for a experience. Less stomach issues and supposedly condensed compared to Aya
Thanks for the research Blig-Blug! Fun stuff

It should work and someone tested it here for sure, but you need much more mimosa to make the tea. Yuremamine gets destroyed under heat, so CWE is the only preparation method available. On the other hand, you can read accounts of how Peganum Harmala was introduced in mimosa-drinking communities in Brazil. Their account was that they were finally reconnected with their ancestors. So, I doubt that mimosa alone would get you to the same levels as with a real MAOI. The next question would be why use mimosa at all, when there are chacruna, chali, and mushrooms around. Certainly, it all depends on what you're after. If you're just trying to get high, mimosa with MAOI will do the trick. However, if you're after real medicine, that combo is far from the best and should never be consumed long-term. No Amazonian tradition uses barks as a "DMT-admixture" to caapi, as far as I know. There is a reason for that, and you'll find out if you drink this combo for a few years. Yet, here we come back to the question of what you are after. To each his own. I've seen many crazy people on net forums who are into heavy mimosa doses. Healing is not their aim for sure.

 

[blig-blug]

Has anyone played with just the cwe mimosa alone? No harmalas?
I've heard murmurs that the yuremamine alone inhibits mao enough for a experience. Less stomach issues and supposedly condensed compared to Aya
Thanks for the research Blig-Blug! Fun stuff

I haven't, but from what I know and as @northape says, you need more mimosa. The dose seems to be between 20g and 50g MHRB. It apparently lasts less than an hour, suggesting that the MAO inhibition is indeed incomplete (if it weren't, such a dose of MHRB would be beyond powerful, entering maybe dangerous territory, so it makes sense).

I wouldn't be too hopeful on less stomach issues with that, as mimosa has a lot of tannins (even if CWE gets less of them out) and the dose will be much higher. But it may depend on the person, perhaps tannins are less rough on your stomach than harmalas.

 

[Blimey]

It should work and someone tested it here for sure, but you need much more mimosa to make the tea. Yuremamine gets destroyed under heat, so CWE is the only preparation method available. On the other hand, you can read accounts of how Peganum Harmala was introduced in mimosa-drinking communities in Brazil. Their account was that they were finally reconnected with their ancestors. So, I doubt that mimosa alone would get you to the same levels as with a real MAOI. The next question would be why use mimosa at all, when there are chacruna, chali, and mushrooms around. Certainly, it all depends on what you're after. If you're just trying to get high, mimosa with MAOI will do the trick. However, if you're after real medicine, that combo is far from the best and should never be consumed long-term. No Amazonian tradition uses barks as a "DMT-admixture" to caapi, as far as I know. There is a reason for that, and you'll find out if you drink this combo for a few years. Yet, here we come back to the question of what you are after. To each his own. I've seen many crazy people on net forums who are into heavy mimosa doses. Healing is not their aim for sure.

Just out of interest, why should the mimosa and rue combo not be used long term?

 

[northape]

Just out of interest, why should the mimosa and rue combo not be used long term?

That's the most common question I get. Maybe I should stop proclaiming my views on the matter
To put it simply, I feel there is too much stress on the body long term. Then there is energetic weirdness to the combo.
I guess it depends on how often you use it and what you are after. This combination is like a surgical knife of sorts. It would be fine to use for a specific task,
but going deep with it feels off. Like I'd go to a surgeon if I break something, but I won't go there for physiotherapy afterwards. Hope this helps.