EGO

[OneFive]

Hi, I'm having trouble understanding some thing and i know you can help.
I'm neither dumb nor stupid but i dont understand what "EGO" is.
I read about Ego deaths and leaving your Ego behind. From what i can tell its some kind of facade to the self.
In the case of a house :| it has a facade, the facade is part of the house and without it there would be no house.
I'm confusing myself now :/
There would be a duality within all of us, i understand that and i think there are really 3 sides to every one, the way you perceive your self,the way others perceive you and then theres the way you really are.
Ego to me sounds like a fakeness and i consider myself to be a genuine person without a facade.
Or is that just my ego speaking lol joke
Thoughts : Please leave below :

 

[Global]

Hi, I'm having trouble understanding some thing and i know you can help.
I'm neither dumb nor stupid but i dont understand what "EGO" is.
I read about Ego deaths and leaving your Ego behind. From what i can tell its some kind of facade to the self.
In the case of a house :| it has a facade, the facade is part of the house and without it there would be no house.
I'm confusing myself now :/
There would be a duality within all of us, i understand that and i think there are really 3 sides to every one, the way you perceive your self,the way others perceive you and then theres the way you really are.
Ego to me sounds like a fakeness and i consider myself to be a genuine person without a facade.
Or is that just my ego speaking lol joke
Thoughts : Please leave below :

The word "ego" can indeed be confusing because people use the word in a variety of ways to refer to a variety of concepts. The ego is essentially what you refer to as "I". Any time you say "I am [something]" that's your ego (no matter how humble the remark in the brackets is).

Then there is the superego, and when most people talk about seeking relief from their ego, this is actually what they're talking about. When many long for ego death, they are really seeking the (temporary) death of the superego. This is the voice in your head that both reinforces the ego (tells you how great you are for doing the things it deems great) and berating you when you do something you feel guilty about. You can think of the superego as an internalized parent or internalized society. When you were young, the construct of the superego was not yet in place. If you did something your parents didn't want you doing (as a result of their conditioning in society), they might yell or punish you for it. Eventually mom and dad aren't around all the time, and so the superego steps in to tell you when you've done wrong...the only problem is that the ego (you) doesn't always agree with all those things you've always been told you shouldn't do.

Beyond the ego and the superego, I think of more of the pure self as the observer. You are not the thinker of thoughts, but rather the observer of those thoughts - the observer of your behavior. In ego death, sometimes it is merely the death of the superego, and that can be solace enough to have its burden momentarily lifted, but in the case of a full ego death, both fellas are out the window, and only the observer remains. Whatever scene or things are laid before the observer become indistinguishable. The observer becomes all that it observes. Typically as you go through life, there is a subject-object relationship with everything (you are the subject and everything outside of you is an object,) but in the case of a full-ego death, this relationship is destroyed, and so you become everything you perceive.

 

[OneFive]

Hi, I'm having trouble understanding some thing and i know you can help.
I'm neither dumb nor stupid but i dont understand what "EGO" is.
I read about Ego deaths and leaving your Ego behind. From what i can tell its some kind of facade to the self.
In the case of a house :| it has a facade, the facade is part of the house and without it there would be no house.
I'm confusing myself now :/
There would be a duality within all of us, i understand that and i think there are really 3 sides to every one, the way you perceive your self,the way others perceive you and then theres the way you really are.
Ego to me sounds like a fakeness and i consider myself to be a genuine person without a facade.
Or is that just my ego speaking lol joke
Thoughts : Please leave below :

The word "ego" can indeed be confusing because people use the word in a variety of ways to refer to a variety of concepts. The ego is essentially what you refer to as "I". Any time you say "I am [something]" that's your ego (no matter how humble the remark in the brackets is).

Then there is the superego, and when most people talk about seeking relief from their ego, this is actually what they're talking about. When many long for ego death, they are really seeking the (temporary) death of the superego. This is the voice in your head that both reinforces the ego (tells you how great you are for doing the things it deems great) and berating you when you do something you feel guilty about. You can think of the superego as an internalized parent or internalized society. When you were young, the construct of the superego was not yet in place. If you did something your parents didn't want you doing (as a result of their conditioning in society), they might yell or punish you for it. Eventually mom and dad aren't around all the time, and so the superego steps in to tell you when you've done wrong...the only problem is that the ego (you) doesn't always agree with all those things you've always been told you shouldn't do.

Beyond the ego and the superego, I think of more of the pure self as the observer. You are not the thinker of thoughts, but rather the observer of those thoughts - the observer of your behavior. In ego death, sometimes it is merely the death of the superego, and that can be solace enough to have its burden momentarily lifted, but in the case of a full ego death, both fellas are out the window, and only the observer remains. Whatever scene or things are laid before the observer become indistinguishable. The observer becomes all that it observes. Typically as you go through life, there is a subject-object relationship with everything (you are the subject and everything outside of you is an object,) but in the case of a full-ego death, this relationship is destroyed, and so you become everything you perceive.

Hmmmm, interesting, thanks for the explanation.
So my ego is more of a mechanism but it also is me in essence.
Then there is no ego, there is just me?
When i tell myself, "God your fkin awesome" haha or when i think, "you dumb ass" (i think in american) that is my ego talking to me, i'd think it was just me talking to me , but my ego is me:shock:
Maybe there is a case for thinking there is no such thing as an ego.
I suppose some ones opinion of themself is the ego.

 

[upload]

Hi, I'm having trouble understanding some thing and i know you can help.
I'm neither dumb nor stupid but i dont understand what "EGO" is.
I read about Ego deaths and leaving your Ego behind. From what i can tell its some kind of facade to the self.
In the case of a house :| it has a facade, the facade is part of the house and without it there would be no house.
I'm confusing myself now :/
There would be a duality within all of us, i understand that and i think there are really 3 sides to every one, the way you perceive your self,the way others perceive you and then theres the way you really are.
Ego to me sounds like a fakeness and i consider myself to be a genuine person without a facade.
Or is that just my ego speaking lol joke
Thoughts : Please leave below :

I can relate to your confusion on the ego subject...I also had probs understanding what people meant by "ego death," until I experienced it. lol. In your normal state of consciousness, there is no way to realize that you are more than that voice in your head. You are much more than the "self" (ego) you have created your entire life. To really understand what the ego is..you must shed it. Once you've had an ego death experience, you will know exactly what ego is, and you will also know that there is a part of you which has nothing to do with your ego..a part that will continue on after your body dies and your brain shuts down that voice. With dmt, you can have a glimpse of the eternal self, imo. The soul.

 

[Parshvik Chintan]

ontological sense of self.