Enhanced Salvia possibilities

[fry]

I have about .5+g of salvia 5x, 2 moderate hits from a small pinch (weighing ~50mg) gives an intense body buzz.

I have read some good things about this mix but I don't recall seeing anyone mentioning using extract.

should I acquire straight leaf or should/ could I maybe do a 2:1 so im not smoking as much of the salvia or is salvia extract the way to go anyway?

normally I don't care for salvia but I fugured a small test batch would be worth a try, but instead of wasting any more I thought it best to ask you fine folks the best way to prepare this mix.

 

[Jellyfox]

There is no reason to smoke unenhanced salvia leaf, it will only have minimal if any effects. Smoke your 5x and take HUGE hits cuz 5x is really really weak.

I recommend always having a sitter with salvia but with 5x you shouldn't expirience any effects intense enough to make you lose control.

5x is one of the lowest extracts. I took a big hit of 30x the other day and still only experienced fits of laughter and tingly body sensations. No OBE which are common with High extract salvia div (160x).

Don't worry about mixing your 5x with leaf cuz the 5x isn't much stronger than the leaf which isn't very strong either.

 

[fry]

wow.. I just realized I didnt even explain properly.

I want to make dmt enhanced leaf with salvia, but was unshure if the salvia would be overpowering as an extract.

thanks for trying to answer my confusing post though!

 

[Jellyfox]

yea i was a little confused as to what you meant by the word Mix.

Either way I have not combined Dmt and salvia, but due to my expiriences with both individually I cannot not recommend combining the 2.

Maybe someone else who does have experience combining these 2 will be able to give you a more in depth answer.

best of luck!

 

[Metanoia]

There is no reason to smoke unenhanced salvia leaf, it will only have minimal if any effects. Smoke your 5x and take HUGE hits cuz 5x is really really weak.

5x is one of the lowest extracts. I took a big hit of 30x the other day and still only experienced fits of laughter and tingly body sensations. No OBE which are common with High extract salvia div (160x).

Don't worry about mixing your 5x with leaf cuz the 5x isn't much stronger than the leaf which isn't very strong either.

Please don't dole out advice like that Jelly. It always makes me cringe when people talk like that about Salvia. I can smoke less than 500mg of plain leaf and breakthrough. A "huge" hit of 5x (whatever that constitutes) would have me reeling through Salviaspace for at least twenty minutes. This plant affects people on very different levels and isn't predictable at all. One day a dosage may do nothing, the next the same dosage may have you begging to return to consensus reality.

To fry: check out this thread.

All About Salvia Dosing - Salvia Divinorum - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Salvia is very powerful. It should be treated as such. I believe you understand this already, as you're asking whether it might overpower the DMT in an enhanced leaf or changa mix. Just, well, I think it needed saying in this thread.

I would suggest plain leaf for those purposes. I'm extremely sensitive to it, but plain leaf is at the very least a good starting place. Just to see how it goes when mixed with DMT or DMT and harmalas.

I sometimes use a homemade 3x with my changa blends. I once used a 10x and it was too overpowering. It can take a bit of tinkering to get the dosage right between the two. But when it does happen, they synergize better than anything I've yet to experience.

Good luck!

 

[Jellyfox]

sorry we must be referring to a different range of extracts. some brands sell salvia divinorum X in the range of 1-2-3-4-5, some brands sell salvia X in the range of 10-20-30-40-50 and some brands sell in the range of 20-40-60-80-100. So it can be a bit confusing. I definitely will not debate the fact that salvia is powerful , I learned that when I was stuck in a Spin Cycle for 20 minutes.

But I will not believe that you breakthrough with just leaf and no extract. Ive seen people smoke whole bowls of leaf and barely get any effects. I've only ever seen people leave their bodies and enter dangerous territories on very, very high extracts of salvia.

 

[fry]

thanks for the advice and the link.

I think instead of making enhanced salvia ill do a blend and I will simply add say .05 to a bowl of pre made enhanced leaf.

 

[gibran2]

There is no reason to smoke unenhanced salvia leaf, it will only have minimal if any effects. Smoke your 5x and take HUGE hits cuz 5x is really really weak.

I recommend always having a sitter with salvia but with 5x you shouldn't expirience any effects intense enough to make you lose control.

5x is one of the lowest extracts. I took a big hit of 30x the other day and still only experienced fits of laughter and tingly body sensations. No OBE which are common with High extract salvia div (160x).

Don't worry about mixing your 5x with leaf cuz the 5x isn't much stronger than the leaf which isn't very strong either.

Utter nonsense.

There is no legitimate 160X extract commercially available.
And if there was, a strong dose would be about 3mg.

Please research, then post. Not the other way around.

 

[Jellyfox]

HOw about the research that I have Purchased 160x salvia before........

heres a link to a picture of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160

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also if You do a search for 160 salvia report you will find many

how'bout you do some research next time?

 

[Jin]

HOw about the research that I have Purchased 160x salvia before........

heres a link to a picture of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160

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also if You do a search for 160 salvia report you will find many

how'bout you do some research next time?

finding a 160x extract of salvia is not called research , its called calliing insanity , best of luck with your attitude ,

edit : the link does'nt work

 

[Vodsel]

HOw about the research that I have Purchased 160x salvia before........

heres a link to a picture of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160

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also if You do a search for 160 salvia report you will find many

how'bout you do some research next time?

No.

Doing research is not buying some product in the internet or googling for a picture.

You're the one who doesn't seem to know what you're talking about, and certainly gibran2 knows a big deal more about salvia than you and I know together.

There is no such thing as a real "160x" salvia extract. Something like that would be pretty darn close to pure salvinorin A, which is a crystalline substance that you cannot smoke.

There is normally around 2,5 mg of salvinorin A in a gram of salvia dry leaf. Most people have strong experiences, often dissociative, with the equivalent of 1 mg of salvinorin A. That's 400 mg of plain leaf, 40 mg of 10x, 20 mg of 20x, and in an hypothetic "160x extract" would require a minuscule 2,5 mg to have deep effects, half of it a waxy crystal. Those extracts are bogus.

Smoking properly a little 50 mg pinch of an actual 10x should be enough for the vast majority of people, and too much for a few.

Dioxippus most likely is benefitting from some degree of reverse tolerance, that makes long term users obtain progressively stronger effects with the same doses. But certainly I've talked to several people who have consistently strong experiences with plain salvia leaf, not to mention with a 5x extract that you call "very weak".

Even in the case that you happened to have an unusual extreme tolerance to salvia, you should refrain yourself from giving generalized advice and conclusions if you have NOT done actual research.

Edit: And for Fry (sorry for half hijacking your thread) I and others have tried DMT infused in salvia leaf and liked it. It seemed to add some energy and "dimensionality" to the effects... Of course, doing this means you are ingesting a comparatively small amount of salvinorin... say, you're smoking 30 mg of spice infused 1:1, that means 0,075 mg (75 ng) of salvinorin, which may modulate the experience in a brain supercharged with DMT, but not deliver an experience by itself.

But do you want to have a salvia experience plus a DMT experience superimposed? I would try plain leaf 1:1 and see how it works for you, before combining it with extracts at all.

 

[gibran2]

HOw about the research that I have Purchased 160x salvia before........

heres a link to a picture of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160

Avertissement de redirection

also if You do a search for 160 salvia report you will find many

how'bout you do some research next time?

What makes you think that a product labeled 160X is actually 160X ???

There are no legal requirements compelling vendors of salvia extracts to truthfully declare their extracts’ contents. If a vendor wanted to, he could label his product 10,000X. As long as there are gullible people willing to buy, there will be unscrupulous people willing to sell.

160X salvia would be approximately 40% salvinorin A. That much salvinorin won’t cling to leaf. And as I said earlier, a dose would be about 3mg. Unless you have access to an analytical balance, you can’t accurately measure a dose.

Legitimate 5X is plenty strong. There’s no reason I can think of to ever use anything more concentrated than 20X.

160X ??? Ha!!!

 

[Jellyfox]

Like i said in an earlier post, its just different ways of measuring the extract.........

 

[Jellyfox]

and dioxippus i didn't buy it off of the internet. You guys are looking into this WAY too much. Like i said earlier, The numbers of the extracts are just DIFFERENT ways of measuring the potency of the salvia.

One brands 160x can be the same potency as another brands 50x.

Once again, some brands sell salvia in the range of 5-10-20-30-40-50-60-70

and some sell the extracts in the range of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160

It is just different numbers. Whether or not the salvia i bought is Actually an 160% extraction is irrelevant because its just a different way of saying this is the most potent salvia extract we sell.

 

[Vodsel]

Like i said in an earlier post, its just different ways of measuring the extract.........

But 10x means ten times as strong and 100x means 100 times as strong, right? I cannot think of a different way to measure an extract. Could you put an example?

And of course the potency of an extract is relevant. Are you happy just dosing something that is "the most potent X we sell?", without knowing how much of the active is inside of that?

I would seriously review that way of looking.

 

[Jellyfox]

I canot explain it any simpler.......

if you are that concerned about what kind of extracts of salvia Headshops are selling do this. Go into one of your local headshops and just look at all the different brands of salvia.

a few i can remember, (Ecstasy brand) salvia is sold in the range of 10-20-30-40-50.

(Purple Sticky brand) salvia is sold in the range of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160.

(Salvia Zone brand) salvia is also sold in the range of 20-40-60-80-100.

Look i am not going to debate whether the extracts sold as 160 are ACTUALLY FULLY 100% 160% lol.

but I am going to tell you that you are wrong if you say that 160% extracts of salvia don't exist because they are sold almost everywhere.

I am sorry but my Personal experiences are all the research that is needed. at the end of the day Screw buying salvia from brands anyways, just grow your own and extract it yourself if need be.

 

[Vodsel]

Look i am not going to debate whether the extracts sold as 160 are ACTUALLY FULLY 100% 160% lol.

but I am going to tell you that you are wrong if you say that 160% extracts of salvia don't exist because they are sold almost everywhere.

I know that extracts labeled "160x" exist. Our point is simply that those extracts are bogus, and cannot be used to discuss salvia dosing because for physical reasons they are not even near what they claim to be.

And IMO whether a product is what it claims to be or not is relevant. If sellers are deceiving people is relevant. Not only because they are cheating customers, but because their products may take some people to believe that "low" extracts are worthless, and if they ever stumble upon an actual "low" extract that contains what it claims, and they smoke properly a big bowl of it, they may receive a big salvia slap they were not expecting nor prepared for.

We encourage safe and responsible substance use here.

But I agree that growing yourself is the best way to go, by far.

 

[Jellyfox]

I told him to have a sitter, but cmon, there is NO WAY he is going to breakthrough on a 5x.

I'm sorry man that just won't happen.

 

[Vodsel]

Why do you keep assuming that your own experience is extensible to everyone else?

I am sorry but my Personal experiences are all the research that is needed.

My personal experience broke through with 5x homemade extract and beats your personal experience.

Do you mind if my personal experience matters too, in the big picture?

 

[gibran2]

I canot explain it any simpler.......

if you are that concerned about what kind of extracts of salvia Headshops are selling do this. Go into one of your local headshops and just look at all the different brands of salvia.

a few i can remember, (Ecstasy brand) salvia is sold in the range of 10-20-30-40-50.

(Purple Sticky brand) salvia is sold in the range of 20-40-60-80-100-120-140-160.

(Salvia Zone brand) salvia is also sold in the range of 20-40-60-80-100.

Look i am not going to debate whether the extracts sold as 160 are ACTUALLY FULLY 100% 160% lol.

If each vendor measures “X-factors” differently, then the X-factor becomes rather meaningless, doesn’t it?

If vendor A’s 160X is as potent as vendor B’s 40X is as potent as vendor C’s 5X, then how do you know what you’re actually getting? How do you know if the price is reasonable? How do know the size of a dose? Etc???

I told him to have a sitter, but cmon, there is NO WAY he is going to breakthrough on a 5x.

I'm sorry man that just won't happen.

A breakthrough dose of legitimate 5X is about 80mg. Easily inhaled in 2 or 3 successive inhalations.