• Members of the previous forum can retrieve their temporary password here, (login and check your PM).

Enlightenment/Nirvana

Migrated topic.

JesusGreen

Rising Star
Joined
Jun 2, 2010
Messages
60
Merits
42
Has anyone else experienced enlightenment through the use of psychedelics. I was originally going to say that most people have, as it came during ego loss - however my first experience of ego loss was very different, it was a struggle to get there and then I had no recollection of the event. The second time round (with around 45mg oral 4-AcO-DMT) I fought the chemical, I resisted the ego loss (not by choice), it showed me all that was bad about my life.. but a couple of hours later it was like a light switched on, the pain ended, and I was one with the universe, I realised we were all one, that "God" was ALL - not some being sitting in the sky, that life is eternal, that we may live infinite lives or leave and become part of ALL once again. That life is but a product of the mind, the mind that we all share. It was not thinking, it was knowing, I felt truly enlightened and I have a completely different perspective of life since then. Previously I did not fear death (since a similar Ketamine experience) - but I did have doubts at times.. Now I have no fear of death, if I were to die in 5 minutes time I would be content in this fate. I realised that in that moment we were all enlightened, for each of us passes through each and every life before finally returning to the ALL.

But what I'm wondering is, have any of you experienced the exact the same, in your - or rather your ego's life? Are all your ego loss experiences like this, or is it a rare/once off occurrence - what psychedelic did you take, what dose, and how was the rest of the trip?

Thanks in advance for your responses. My trip shattered some of my previous misconceptions and restored my faith in life and love. I hope this was not a unique occurrence and that other people are able to experience what I did through psychedelic use, for I would much love to share this knowledge with others - and it's something I myself could never teach, it must be experienced.
 
I don't think I've had as powerfull experience as you described. Lucky you. :) But I have had out of body experiences on Ketamine. To the point of where I felt I was in another plane with other beings. Only happend once on Ketamine while listening to pink floyd the wall on vinyl with head phones. I don't know if you call that ego loss. I've had that feeling of oneness with the universe on different psychedelics but not as intense as you said.

I have tried 4-aco-DMT twice. And that seems to be a very spiritual entheogen like DMT. I only did about half as much as you did but it blew my mind. I definitely felt like I was one with the universe and god. Very visual the first time. Not a party drug though cause the 2nd time I did it at a festival and there was way to much going on. I would like to do it alone with no distractions one time just so I could introspect. I was surprised to hear you did 45mg! That must've been crazy intense. lol. Hearing your story makes me wanna try that. Was it frightening at first? You should try meditating first to ease any anxiety before a intense journey. Also, soft trance or ambient or meditaion music helps alot I find.
 
My question is: Has anyone not only experienced nirvana, but transcended this physical plane completely and for good?

Oh yeah, and i thought ego-shattering was the point of taking psychedelics!!:lol: :lol: :lol:
 
Closest spiritual experience I've ever had without drugs was doing yoga. It's actually really relaxing, and great to wind down with.
 
I dont think enlightenment is fixed state, and I dont think its of benefit to think of it as one even if it was (because it can lead to grandeur delusional thinking, or the ego uses it to feed itself and one feels superior, etc). I feel its more reasonable to think of it as a path, a path made by every day of our lives, where we have to try to do our best in the daily actions. Thats where we can grow, where we can make our existence worth it.

Thats also why we talk so much about the importance of integration. I mean, even if we believe literally that when people have the "Ive seen the All and Everything during a trip", then what? There is still the day to day, and thats the real test. I've seen too many leaders and supposed enlightened people out there that may have a beautiful speech but then you see how they act in contradiction to the theory, and thats where the real message is being sent.
 
JesusGreen said:
Has anyone else experienced enlightenment through the use of psychedelics.

Hey now JesusGreen,

Many folks do experience temporary enlightenment from the use of psychedelics, though many do not and some never will. Also, folks have had these revelatory experiences, who never have partaken of psychedelics at all. Nirvana, Samadhi, Satori, Divine Rapture, etc... have been part of our collective human experience for millenniums. I believe it has a lot to do with a person's readiness to merge with the Oneness. The Creator gifted us with Medicines, in the form of Sacred plants and their derivatives, to shatter our fixations and awaken us to the indivisibility of universal being or "Cosmic Consciousness". Ultimately, this is the true nature of pure existence and our very center.



I was originally going to say that most people have, as it came during ego loss - however my first experience of ego loss was very different, it was a struggle to get there and then I had no recollection of the event. The second time round (with around 45mg oral 4-AcO-DMT) I fought the chemical, I resisted the ego loss (not by choice), it showed me all that was bad about my life.. but a couple of hours later it was like a light switched on, the pain ended, and I was one with the universe, I realized we were all one, that "God" was ALL - not some being sitting in the sky, that life is eternal, that we may live infinite lives or leave and become part of ALL once again. That life is but a product of the mind, the mind that we all share. It was not thinking, it was knowing, I felt truly enlightened and I have a completely different perspective of life since then. Previously I did not fear death (since a similar Ketamine experience) - but I did have doubts at times.. Now I have no fear of death, if I were to die in 5 minutes time I would be content in this fate. I realized that in that moment we were all enlightened, for each of us passes through each and every life before finally returning to the ALL.

When one's habitual mode of subjectivity is released or is forcibly ripped away from us (as with psychedelics), the lines that separate this and that, you and I, self and God... disappear into the Void. Within this ego-death, a departure from a lifetime of mental conditioning occurs, thus the truly objective nature of the universe is known (without thinking at all). From my experiences, this unbound force devours us and draws us into itself, which is where we already are (without even knowing it). When the dreamer ceases to perpetuate the illusion of finite self and the accompanying isolation from the totality... an awaking superimposes itself upon the witness to the external phenomenon and shatters the barrier between the individual and the Absolute. Just prior to merging with this purest Spirit and just post-merging, an understanding can be grasped, which illuminates the Soul of the dreamer.

Of course, you can't remember the union, as you no longer exist to observe it. Still, the lingering essence is alive, palpable and some of this spirituality can be brought back into our daily mirage of self-orientation. In other words, the Light shines through us, in ever greater degrees (within higher and higher frequencies of vibration), as we create greater clarity and a deeper emptiness in our selves. Medicines are given to us by the Mother, for this awakening and not meant be become a routine or a casual diet. Going back to the well too often is paramount to sacrilege. So we need to keep it Sacred and Shamanic, as it is not a party favor but the Flesh of the Gods. Sadly, we come down and eventually loose this Omnipotent awareness, only to return to our personal dream of reality. Once more blinded by the phenomenon dancing all around us. Which is only natural, after all.

But what I'm wondering is, have any of you experienced the exact the same, in your - or rather your ego's life? Are all your ego loss experiences like this, or is it a rare/once off occurrence - what psychedelic did you take, what dose, and how was the rest of the trip?

Rising Spirit has had such revelations under the influence of LSD, Mescaline, Psilocybin mushrooms, extracted THC, DMT and Salvia Divinorum. Mostly with LSD and Mushrooms but I am most eager to taste DMT again!!! It was the quickest, most profound and totally overwhelming "enlightenment" ever perceived by myself (who am I?). Salvia is similar in intensity and duration but with Salvia... it wasn't so much an "enlightenment" as a total dissociation of identity, which birthed complete objectivity. The Light was fuzzy and less blinding. And the crown remained unactivated from this particular Medicine Journey. You know, no perception of the Infinite Grid.

Still, the Oneness was immanent and tangible, throughout the dissolving self's vanishing viewpoint. The essence of this and that are shown to be an indivisible something, yet almost plasticine? Formless and undifferentiated plastic light? Rising Spirit finds it a lot more effort, to keep the focus on the Godness and merge into the Light. Lady Salvia will take us wherever we are prone to drift and usually it's not a direct line to the Beatific Vision of God. In this sense, it is not a true psychedelic, for it targets our third eye, without unfolding the lotus of our crown. That being said, it is a powerful teacher and has much to reveal to the wounded healer. If there is such a thing as a dopey "enlightenment"... Salvia's the ticket!

Thanks in advance for your responses. My trip shattered some of my previous misconceptions and restored my faith in life and love. I hope this was not a unique occurrence and that other people are able to experience what I did through psychedelic use, for I would much love to share this knowledge with others - and it's something I myself could never teach, it must be experienced.

Your experience was not unique nor will it be the last that you have. It is the destiny of our species to awaken to the God-head (for we are God). Your term,"shattered" is most appropriate. The Sufis use this word to describe the feeling of being completely evaporated into the higher Self and the impact it has on our soul-connection to this Divine force. You seem like a very spirtual person, so I'm guessing that you meditate? If you do not currently meditate, I wholeheartedly recommend it. Through practicing the awareness of the present moment, we gradually tune ourselves to subtler and far subtler levels or frequencies of mind. A good way to till the soil of the ego and so, be better prepared to receive the seed of Divinity.

All is One. All being is God. We are the only ones making a division or separation from our true nature, Godhood. In a very real way, there is but one being, hidden wihtin folds of creation, housed within a myriad of individuated consciousnesses. Our task to bond with the Eternal, each in our own unique way. The Medicine is here for our awakening, so if we respect it's power, we will return to the source of all being and dissolve into the Clear Light of the Void. Little by little...

Peace, Light & Love, Rising Spirit
 
I think on the Shulgin scale that would be a +4

[qoute]PLUS FOUR (++++)
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.[/quote]

 
I think what you experienced on the Shulgin scale that would be a +4

PLUS FOUR (++++)
A rare and precious transcendental state, which has been called a 'peak experience', a 'religious experience,' 'divine transformation,' a 'state of Samadhi' and many other names in other cultures. It is not connected to the +1, +2, and +3 of the measuring of a drug's intensity. It is a state of bliss, a participation mystique, a connectedness with both the interior and exterior universes, which has come about after the ingestion of a psychedelic drug, but which is not necessarily repeatable with a subsequent ingestion of that same drug. If a drug (or technique or process) were ever to be discovered which would consistently produce a plus four experience in all human beings, it is conceivable that it would signal the ultimate evolution, and perhaps the end of, the human experiment.

 
Back
Top Bottom