Everybody is breaking the law and they dont know it

[Demoanium.]

HELLO to you all. THis topic regards an issue i have found with the law in general. I'll keep it short and sweet. Basically in australia dmt containing plants are illegal to cultivate so how can this be true when everybody has phalaris grass growing in there yard. [5-meo}[dmt}

the laws may vary in your country but isn't this just an outrage?? we at any point can be arrested and prosecuted if some cops learnt some more info about the law.

What is your opinion?? I would love to hear what can be done with such a disgraceful law.

 

[cyb]

Welcome to the world...
Grab a spoon and change your mind.

 

[changalvia]

ha, ya...

Other plants too..

I guess its not so much the plants but the knowledge you possess... So I guess if you knew everything in the whole world you would be the biggest criminal.

The law fails, so SO hard.

It's like saying I could be prosecuted for owning a pet. But my neighbor wont because he hasn't a clue about things like this. Which is a shame. That's why i stopped drinking alcohol. I swear its an attempt to dumb the general population down (Not pointing fingers or offending drinkers), or at least keep them distracted from finding their own paths in life.

I mean... I found these things through self discovery. Alcohol was forced into my eyes from birth - I never had a choice and neither did you.

Personally I couldn't care less if marijuana gets legalised or not. It's alcohol I want to see destroyed.

And if someone cared enough about it they could illegally brew it at home. Like so many other people do. The law pushes the wrong people into corners.

And if the people bitch and moan about their precious wine and how they cant taste it anymore... WHAT ABOUT FINE CANNABIS? WE MISS THE TASTE OF GOOD CANNABIS.

Ya dig?

Wow that went way off topic but I'm sure my ideas came across

So thanks for the opportunity to vent a little

 

[universecannon]

Welcome to the world...
Grab a spoon and change your mind.

..but... dude...

there is no spoon

 

[universecannon]

just remind the judge that his own body is guilty of manufacturing not only DMT but Bufotenine and 5-MEO-DMT to

 

[Demoanium.]

haha great replies, i'm assuming basically everyone here knows how f56ked the system is? am i right to assume so. i never understood how such governments can justify making plants illegal yet have the goul to say that alcohol, flouride in our water, and botox in our faces. AND BTW have you ever seen the molecule for botox???? is horrendous.

also, aswell deathcap mushrooms can be cultivated perfectly legal,, any ill hearted person could use them for great harm to himself or others.

 

[3rdI]

welcome to the Nexus Demoanium,

haha great replies, i'm assuming basically everyone here knows how f56ked the system is? am i right to assume so.

i think most people are well aware of how the system sucks if your a plant lover.

you dont know your on a lead untill you stray away from the stake

 

[Akasha224]

Personally I couldn't care less if marijuana gets legalised or not. It's alcohol I want to see destroyed.

I couldn't agree more. I personally think that alcohol is a disgusting drug. It's also interesting to note that pretty much any drug that is abused also has a medicinal/legitimate use (painkillers for pain, benzodizepines for anxiety, cannabis for all kinds of pain and nausea, etc., etc.), but the only real purpose of alcohol is recreation.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

The title and assertion of this thread are self-contradictory...

Two words: mens rea

 

[changalvia]

but the only real purpose of alcohol is recreation.

:!: the bastards

:thumb_up:

 

[Psychelectric]

"Doesn't the idea of making nature against the law seem a bit unnatural?"

I think what can be done is to continue breaking the law or advocate for the laws to change. I don't obey unjust laws, most people don't. Cops are just doing their jobs (some poorly), but either way they most you can do is either passively protest (break the law)or actively protest.

Haha, I don't think alcohol is kept around to keep the population down or dumb. Alcohol is kept around because of tradition, we've been drinking alcohol for thousands if years, our livers have even evolved because of this. Also while I do agree that alcohol is a dirty dangerous drug, I still drink on occasion, to each his own. I think moderation is what's key, not my drugs are better than your drugs (though they may be) . Honestly I think all drugs should be legal and that competent adults have the right to put into their own bodies what they choose. When other people use force (the rule of law) to control individual choices thats cowardly and immoral. People have the right to make their own chooses, society should try to educate people on the dangers ect. But it's ultimately their responsibility. I could go on a diatribe as to why I feel that all drugs should be legal but I'm figuring most people on here understand that. It's all about the Freedom of choice.

Also I do care about whether MJ is legalized or not, people's lives are being ruined because of this unjust law, and I for one can't stand to see people oppressed. Aldo we need to bring the hemp industry back to the US.


The law is just words on a piece of paper that other people thought up (unless youre a politician, lol) all you do when you break the law is stand up to an establishment that believes such childish nonsense. The perfect law is simple, don't infringe on some else's life, the golden rule and that's rather quite simple, everything else is frivolous add ons IMO. (yes I know there are many many nuances to that idea but I'd rather not type a lecture on political philosophy, lol)

Just my thoughts, peace.

 

[a1pha]

"Every actual State is corrupt. Good men must not obey laws too well."
RW Emerson

"If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so."
Possibly Jefferson, more likely MLKjr.

Point being: morality and law are not equivalent and the State is usually corrupt. Therefore, act in accordance with Universal Law -- not man's law. Also, see: On the Legal Status of DMT Source Plants in the US (with a discussion of the religious use defense)

 

[changalvia]

To each his own indeed

And I agree. Although I feel if cannabis is Illegal why the F7628732537625376 is alcohol legal?

The world is backwards.

 

[Psychelectric]

And I agree. Although I feel if cannabis is Illegal why the F7628732537625376 is alcohol legal?

The world is backwards.

In a nutshell.

Cannabis is illegal due to 1930s scare campaigns as part of a propaganda campaign to demonize hemp started by William Randolph Hearst for his paper mill industry. People bought into the propaganda and the marijuana tax stamp act of 1937 was born which essentially made marijuana illegal. Howver Timothy Leary challenged the tax stamp act and in 1969 the Supreme Court decided that it was unconstitutional, hooray for marijuana, one would think, until 1971 when Richard Nixon (the most honest politician we have ever had ) decided to say fuck logic and reason, he disregarded the advice of one of his advisors (see the Schaffer Commission) and decided to included marijuana in the Drug Scheduling Act. What an asshole. And now we live in the aftermath of that terrible decision.

Alcohol is legal because when we tried to make it illegal people died and bad things happened and drunks were still in society but instead of drinking safe regulated hooch they were drinking bathtub gin flavored with tasty formaldehyde. And instead of being a casual drinker with beer and wine they largely had to settle for liquor (because it was cheaper to produce and easier to transport) and that led to more alcoholism even though it was illegal and did I mention the gang problems. So we legalized booze again after realizing those problems.

Also all of those problems still exist in this modern society, I think crystal meth is the bathtub gin for today's generation same is true for bath salts synthetic marijuana kids huffing paint etc. Why it's taking so long for today's society to come to this is because, with the exception of MJ most drugs are obscure and thus easy to lie about and demonize. If we want to change this world the easiest thing to do is just be honest and tell the truth.

Sorry about the diatribe but I felt like ranting again, this subject really does get my blood pumping.

So to chill my angst, silly emoticons :?: :lol: :| :surprised :twisted: 8)

 

[a1pha]

Cannabis is illegal due to 1930s scare campaigns as part of a propaganda campaign to demonize hemp started by William Randolph Hearst for his paper mill industry.

Two points of irony:

(1) The drafts for The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights were written on hemp paper[1]. The final documents were parchment, however.

(2) The United States Government holds the patent on cannabinoids until the year 2021[2].

 

[Psychelectric]

Cannabis is illegal due to 1930s scare campaigns as part of a propaganda campaign to demonize hemp started by William Randolph Hearst for his paper mill industry.

Two points of irony:

(1) The drafts for The Declaration, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights were written on hemp paper[1]. The final documents were parchment, however.

(2) The United States Government holds the patent on cannabinoids until the year 2021[2].

Sad but true. My favorite (if you can have a favorite) point of irony (because I'm in the medical profession) regards marijuana's status as a Schedule 1 drug.

To be Schedule 1 a substance has to have a high potential for abuse, no accepted medical value, and must be dangerous to the user without medical guidance. All of these are false, first off marijuana is not physically addicting also since there are no overdose deaths it can safely be used. The issue that really gets me is point 2. That marijuana has no accepted medical value.

First off, marijuana (cannabis) is not a drug it's a plant, pharmacologically speaking a drug has to be a chemical, therefore the chemical in question is THC because without THC people don't get high such is the case with codeine/morphine to poppy and psilocybin in shrooms and caffeine in coffee. So THC is the drug, well THC is a legal medicine. That's right your doctor can prescribe you THC in a drug called Marinol. This means that marihuana can't meet the criteria to be a Schedule 1 drug. The other points can be debated, but the fact that THC is a pharmaceutical makes the whole thing invalid. Honestly if I ever get arrested, which I pray I don't, this will be my defense. That cannabis does not meet the criteria to be a schedule one drug. Im sure others have tried this defense, but it's the truth, and as they say The Truth Will Set You Free.

 

[SnozzleBerry]

First off, marijuana (cannabis) is not a drug it's a plant, pharmacologically speaking a drug has to be a chemical

Schedule I Criteria state:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Also, don't forget the role of racism in the initial marijuana propaganda/legislation (and the Controlled Substance Act) and the Prison Industrial Complex's role in fueling the drug war. No analysis of this topic is complete without them.

 

[Gone-and-Back]

It deeply upsets me to see parts of nature made illegal, when we can legally put all these nasty chemicals from pharmacutical companies into our systems.

These are just plants. They do not contain any dangerous substances when taken in the right set and setting, and given the right dosages. There is no reason that something that naturally grows on this planet, (which means there must be a reason for it), should be illegal.

However, most people in any country around the world are to ignorant to realize that these laws are infringing on their rights as humans of this planet to consume these plants as a teaching and spiritual experience. I also do not think that one should have to be a member of a religious organization to legally consume these plants. A lot of people use them for the same purpose as the religious organizations out there, however we can not gain entry to these churches and organizations to legally say that we are part of them...yet we share the same ideals...really stupid and pointless to deny us the same rights as those religious groups.

People need to start realizing that these plants have been proven by science to be safe in the right amount and right setting. Same even goes for legal substances such as alcohol and pain pills. Science has proven them to be somewhat safe in small amounts, and people listen to this and believe it. Yet they can not be honest and tell people the truth about these plants? Ignorance...

There needs to be a movement formed against these unjust laws or else it will just continue to happen over and over again. If we do not stand up for our rights, then they will just be snatched away from us at every chance they get.

Please, someone start something for this cause so we all can jump on board and help end this ignorance.

 

[Mr.Peabody]

This must be repeated:

You don't know you're on a lead until you stray away from the stake.

I don't worry too much about the silliness of laws any more. Take the grass thing. Almost everyone who owns a lawn probably has a DMT containing grass. Could they legally arrest everyone for this? Yeah. Could they actually do it? No! The US tries its best to arrest and jail as much as possible, but even with the booming prison industrial complex, that benefits for more inmates, there's just not enough space to jail everyone! Safety in numbers!


Laws are generally made as a result of one of the lower parts of human consciousness: the desire to tell people what they should do and how they should live their lives. This is a more primitive urge of people, often resulting from a person's own insecurities.

Ever notice how people of certain religions love to try to get people to believe what they believe? A lot of times this comes from their own (probably unconscious) doubts they have about what they believe. So, if you can get others to join, it makes you feel less crazy.

So, there are people that love to tell others how to live, what they can and can't do, and so on. They feel like they are so enlightened (yet they know somewhere they really aren't) and try to "civilize" people, and bring them "up" to their level. This often takes the form of silly laws.

And I wholeheartedly agree, it is one's duty to break unjust laws!
The freest society is one that constantly skirts near the edge of total anarchy.

 

[Psychelectric]

First off, marijuana (cannabis) is not a drug it's a plant, pharmacologically speaking a drug has to be a chemical

Schedule I Criteria state:

The drug or other substance has a high potential for abuse.
The drug or other substance has no currently accepted medical use in treatment in the United States.
There is a lack of accepted safety for use of the drug or other substance under medical supervision.

Also, don't forget the role of racism in the initial marijuana propaganda/legislation (and the Controlled Substance Act) and the Prison Industrial Complex's role in fueling the drug war. No analysis of this topic is complete without them.

It's a fair point, but I don't think it invalidates the argument. I believe the interpretation is that the "other substances" was to incorporate things such as mushrooms because they are what's consumed same is true for cannabis. Regardless without the chemicals involved people wouldn't be getting high. I think a good lawyer, or any rational person could see the drug/chemical argument.

And yes racism was a huge factor in drug legislation what with Mexicans in Texas and their evil marijuana, opiated Chinese and cocaine crazed negros. It's appalling how yellow journalism appealed to the racists of that society, though that was at a time when the Klan had power in Congress. It's sad that such archaic laws still have roots.

And Snozz don't get me started on the prison industrial complex or any other industrial complex this estranged society offers. :?: : . I could write a book on how damning such systsems are for a society. Though for others interested I think there is a good documentary on this I believe it's called American Drug War. The short of it is that corporate prisons are lobbying for harsher prison sentences because corporate interests make more money depending on how many prisoners they have they can start franchising prison. It's pathetic. it reminds me about when people want the "government" to stop the evils of "corporations", its silly, the government and corporations are intertwined. Either way I think in the long run the truth will prevail. Society seems to be heading the right direction.