Excess sodium carbonate in DMT xtals

[purple_dye]

In step #6 of BLAB it states one of the most common problems is

...that excess sodium carbonate precipitates together, as large crystals

Well this has happened even though the sodium carbonate saturated solution was cooled to below room temperature and it had been decanted multiple times.

BLAB step #6 also states

If that happens filter all the crystals/solids, break them up, and pull with acetone or IPA, which will pull the dmt but not the sodium carbonate.

These instructions don't read clear to me for some reason and would like some clarification.

Does this mean:

1. Scrap up dried DMT freebase/excess sodium carbonate
2. Place in container
3. Put in IPA 91%
4. Filter with coffee filter
5. Let liquid Evaporate
6. what remains from evaporated IPA is DMT without excess sodium carbonate???

 

[Igel]

Yep, pretty much. If you use 91% IPA you are still adding about 9% water though so you will still bring across the sodium carbonate. You need anhydrous IPA or acetone to only pull the DMT so you could either buy or have a crack at drying your own IPA with anyhydrous epsom salt (magnesium sulfate).

 

[endlessness]

As he said ^

If you can find dry (>99%) acetone, you can use that instead. Or you can try using this method: FASA Alteration of Final Purification - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Though I never used this method I just linked, it should work. You can divide your product in half and try both methods and let us know how each one works out for you, take some pics and show us.. this way we all learn from your experiments

 

[purple_dye]

Yep, pretty much. If you use 91% IPA you are still adding about 9% water though so you will still bring across the sodium carbonate. You need anhydrous IPA or acetone to only pull the DMT so you could either buy or have a crack at drying your own IPA with anyhydrous epsom salt (magnesium sulfate).

How bad (in regards to health) is it to have small amounts of excess sodium carbonate in the DMT? I was thinking if I were to repeat the re-x 3 times with 91% IPA it would drop the levels of sodium carbonate significantly. 9% the first time, then 9% of that which is .81%, then 9% of that which is .07%. Is this a logical line of thought?

I don’t quite understand what you mean by using anhydrous IPA to pull. If The IPA is dried how am I supposed to saturate the solution? When you talk about using an anhydrous material, in my mind I’m picturing mixing 2 items together that are both solids. What would this accomplish?

If you can find dry (>99%) acetone, you can use that instead. Or you can try using this method: FASA Alteration of Final Purification - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Hmm, again with the anhydrous notion. I must be missing something.
The method you linked seems to be in reference to DMT fumarate. The DMT currently in question is in a freebase form. Would the aforementioned method still be applicable?



Up to this point in the tek everything has been done using food grade materials. I’d hate to deviate from this trend, but if it’s the only option it’s not a big deal.

Is there a food grade material that can be used to re-x?

 

[endlessness]

sorry I linked wrong. It's more akin to this:

Amor fati's Approach to Freebase Spice Conversion - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

so the water gets the sodium carbonate and other soluble substances and the dmt freebase stays behind.

 

[purple_dye]

Cool thanks End.

I talked with Benz and decided to just use hexane.

Here are the steps if anyone is interested

1. Mix 400-500mg DMT/sodium carb with 10-15ml hexane
2. decant/filter
3. let evap/freeze precip
4. smoke

:thumb_up:

Experimentation will be conducted at a future time between different methods, but at the moment product is desired without hassle.

 

[endlessness]

wait

why dont you divide your product in half, try both ways, and know from experience for the future what is the best?

 

[purple_dye]

sorry I linked wrong. It's more akin to this:

Amor fati's Approach to Freebase Spice Conversion - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

so the water gets the sodium carbonate and other soluble substances and the dmt freebase stays behind.

I'm not sure this would work. Wouldn't I need a non-polar solvent to separate the sodium carbonate from the DMT freebase?

Also, it seems that this article is focused on DMT furmerate.

Is the polarity of furmerate significantly different from freebase?

There are also two procedures in this link. I'm assuming your referring to the first one. If I did do this procedure which step do I want to start at given that my situation is slightly different.

 

[endlessness]

Yeah the first one. Once you have mixed sodium carbonate, its not dmt fumarate anymore so it doesnt matter if it was fumarate or acetate.

As I said, the water gets the sodium carbonate and sodium fumarate from the conversion, and dmt freebase stays behind becuase it doesnt dissolve in water.

Try it out with small amount if you want, and let us know how it works.