Experience/Mileage with HIELO or DMT vape juice?

[KTX]

Hey everyone, I'm back on the forum after making my first post last month. I'm really strongly considering refining some DMT now, and its looking like making an E-Juice will be the way I go with it, but the article on the TEK says it's difficult to achieve a breakthrough with this method of intake.

For those that have vaped this HIELO/DMT E-juice, does this align with your experience? Has it been hard for you to intake enough DMT to break through this way?

Ultimately, I would like to break through, so if this is difficult with this method I'll likely keep searching for one. Route of intake has been the biggest barrier to me actually starting to process to refine some DMT from MHRB and start experiencing it, because I just can't decide how I'm going to take the actual spice.

Sandwich method? Wont work, my job does drug tests which Marijuana would pop up on, and I generally don't like smoking anything. Unless someone can recommend a good non-psychoactive herb I can smoke to help me intake DMT.
The Machine is disfavored now, and I'd rather not have to buy diamond drill bits and make a whole contraption just to still have to struggle to intake enough DMT to break through, all the while inhaling gross burnt smoke with this method.
The GVG contraption everyone talks about seems good, but it's quite costly and apparently hard to use.
I don't want to make anything with Harmalas because I want a short, bite-sized trip.
But the vape juice seems like the perfect method, as its a good synthesis of being relatively inexpensive, straightforward, painless (no nasty smoke from burnt DMT) and generally hard to mess up. My only concern is not being able to get the proper dose.

I thank you all for your input, as usual. Looking forward to reading your replies.
KTX out

 

[blig-blug]

I have never gone for breakthrough with vape juice, and actually I made my juice particularly weak to get low doses. Still, I was close to accidentally breaking through twice, after a relatively prolonged session with it. So I think it shouldn't be that difficult with a more normal strength juice. I'm using a 0.3 ohm coil at 60W, I imagine with a vape pen (instead of a mod) it could be quite difficult.

 

[KTX]

I have never gone for breakthrough with vape juice, and actually I made my juice particularly weak to get low doses. Still, I was close to accidentally breaking through twice, after a relatively prolonged session with it. So I think it shouldn't be that difficult with a more normal strength juice. I'm using a 0.3 ohm coil at 60W, I imagine with a vape pen (instead of a mod) it could be quite difficult.

I see. Thank you for your input, blig-blug.

 

[Deleted member 73149]

You can break through with a vape if the concentration of spice is at least 30%. Most e-cigs allow for 10 seconds puffs that deliver north of 20mg of juice. With around 7mg of spice per puff, you're bound to breakthrough with 3-8 puffs, provided you inhale for 7-10 seconds, hold for 10-20 seconds and do them in a tight sequence. Or you can take 15-30 mg of mixed harmalas under your tongue 20 minutes before and have the time to build up to breaking through. The length of the trip is going to be roughly doubled, meaning that with the same 3-8 puffs you're going to trip for 8-15 minutes instead of 3-8 minutes. Choose wisely, cheers.

 

[huntingholes]

I think you should explore the E-Mesh vape. You can control the exact temp it burns at so you don't lose any at all and it's quite easy to breakthrough off of one hit because of that. There's one called the mesh rda by Vandy vape that works great. Just gotta bend the mesh into a shallow bowl and dump your spice on top.

 

[new_science]

I have used the sandwich method successfully with the dried basil that one would have in their kitchen to cook with. Mullein is also another great choice. Any herb that's commonly listed as a carrier in changa recipes should work out fine, with a few exceptions (in my experience, lavender flowers do not smoke well on their own). Mullein is probably your best bet, and is found at most co-operative groceries, literally known as "co-ops" in the USA.

All that said, I agree with other users who recommended sticking with a vape.

 

[The Sofa Traveler]

A serious sub-ohm vape with a 0.15Ω-0.3Ω coil and a suitable juice ratio will allow you to achieve breakthrough easily as well as gradual experience. Carts are cheaper and a little more convenient but definitely not as efficient and reliable as a sub-ohm tank. E-cig with juice tank is among the most versatile and convenient ROAs.

 

[KTX]

Hello friends.
It's been a while. I have purchased a temp control vape mod with a steel coil and I have my root bark on the way. I will be adding 1g DMT freebase directly into 4mls of 70-30 VG/PG E-liquid. Hopefully 100g of MHRB is enough to yield me a full gram. I even ordered some teeny little 5ml beakers to measure out my vape juice and put it into a hot water bath. They're adorable.
I do plan to recrystallize because I want to have as pure spice as possible.
I will update once I finish my extraction, and once more when I hype up the courage to finally take my very first tiny puff of spice.
I've gotten into mushroom cultivation, and I believe I want to experience a high-dose mushroom trip before I attempt to break through. I have lots of experience on lower doses and have generally had positive and introspective experiences, but I want to experience a more intense psychedelic trip of a gentler compound than DMT to prepare my mind and have a bit of a better idea what to expect, if not before I take DMT at all, at least before I attempt to break through.

Thank you very much friends.
KTX out.

 

[TransistorBass]

I even ordered some teeny little 5ml beakers to measure out my vape juice and put it into a hot water bath. They're adorable.

Just as adorable as the tiny little 5ml screw-top jars I got from Amazon, as seen here - How to Vape E-Juice - I've never vaped before I might have to go buy some 5ml beakers now just for the laugh

 

[Ernestine]

Hello friends.
It's been a while. I have purchased a temp control vape mod with a steel coil and I have my root bark on the way. I will be adding 1g DMT freebase directly into 4mls of 70-30 VG/PG E-liquid. Hopefully 100g of MHRB is enough to yield me a full gram. I even ordered some teeny little 5ml beakers to measure out my vape juice and put it into a hot water bath. They're adorable.
I do plan to recrystallize because I want to have as pure spice as possible.
I will update once I finish my extraction, and once more when I hype up the courage to finally take my very first tiny puff of spice.
I've gotten into mushroom cultivation, and I believe I want to experience a high-dose mushroom trip before I attempt to break through. I have lots of experience on lower doses and have generally had positive and introspective experiences, but I want to experience a more intense psychedelic trip of a gentler compound than DMT to prepare my mind and have a bit of a better idea what to expect, if not before I take DMT at all, at least before I attempt to break through.

Thank you very much friends.
KTX out.

I question part of your logic on several grounds.

With high dose mushrooms you are committed for an experience lasting hours. With a decent dose of DMT you are only committed for minutes. I disagree that high dose mushrooms are necessarily gentler then DMT. Further, with DMT, despite the intensity I find you remain in an oddly sober headspace while experiencing it. The same is not true of psilocybe mushrooms in my experience, you are more altered.

I found starting with relatively low doses of DMT very manageable despite my anxiety, say 5-10mg. I later discovered the benefits of adding an maoi like Syrian rue in smoothing the onset, extending the DMT experience a little, and I think also providing some anxiolytic effect. With dilute vape juice you can relatively easily titrate the depth of your journey with the length of inhalation.

In short, I would argue that DMT is a better preparation for high dose mushrooms than the reverse. Unless of course you are already very comfortable with high dose psilocybin.