thank you for your wonderful words. i truly take this to heart and will look into the leaves instead of taking the life from a tree. i have worked in taking care of plants for a living and want no part in killing trees.SKA said:I wholeheartedly agree Godsmacker.
I have been horrified to see the pictures of whole fields of felled Mimosa trees with their roots exposed.
I want no part of it. I feel ashamed I ever did take part in it, even if it was only a few times.
Apart from financial & legal reasons, not wanting to have a hand in Mimosa Hostilis' & Acacia Confusa's destruction
is the biggest reason I haven't bought any MHRB for extractions in the longest time. And nor do I plan to.
Godsmacker is right: Psychotria is a sustainable DMT source: You harvest it's leaves every once in a while, extract your spice and the plant will stay healthy, keep growing and keep blessing you with more and more spicey leaves over time. That is a symbiotic relationship with a DMT plant.
Our current abuse of Mimosa Hostilis and recently also Acacia Confusa is us predating these trees to extinction.
We're currently parasites in relation to these 2 spicey trees.
It's slowly wiping out these wonderfull trees and with it our precious sources of DMT. Not a very gratefull treatment to a plant that has given us so much wisdom, inspiration & liberation. We will pay a big price if we keep overindulging like this.
From now on we should leave Mimosa Hostilis and Acacia Confusa alone and focus wholly on sustainable DMT plants that have DMT in their foliage; Like Chacruna. I believe some Acacias also have very decent percentages of DMT in their phyllodes.
Hieronymous said:I don't know if Ralii is still following this thread, if you are can you tell me why you let plants wilt and then water them before harvesting the leaves.
I would have thought they'd be better harvested in the wilted condition.
Hieronymous said:Yeah, I understand that withholding water would stress them, it seems like the watering would relieve the stress and undo any gains that were made by stressing them.
I've read a lot of reports on how alkaloid levels drop after rain so I just assumed watering would have a similar effect.
Has anyone ever tested alkaloid levels in the stems & twigs of this species ?
Hieronymous said:Yeah, I understand that withholding water would stress them, it seems like the watering would relieve the stress and undo any gains that were made by stressing them.
I've read a lot of reports on how alkaloid levels drop after rain so I just assumed watering would have a similar effect.
Has anyone ever tested alkaloid levels in the stems & twigs of this species ?
rahlii said:Seems that the current thoughts on solvents are that xylene is much more efficient at pulling alkaloids from the basified plant aquas solution. Future efforts will be along the following line -
Add 30g of sodium chloride to the basified plant aquas solution to push the alkaloids into the solvent.
Use xylene for the initial pulls from the plant aquas solution. The xylene should be reusable in future extractions.
Salt out with 4% vinegar water.
rebasify and pull with hot shellite.
Sodium carbonate wash combined pulls.
freeze precipitate the entire combined shellite pulls.
SnozzleBerry said:Instead of defatting, you can back-salt your end product out. So, do your acid soaks, basify, pull with your solvent (something along the lines of xylene, toluene, dcm, d-limonene...not naphtha or similar) and then salt your DMT out of solvent using FASW, vinegar, or another acidified solution. This leaves you with with DMT fumarate, DMT acetate, or another salt form, depending on the acid used. Then you can do a water conversion back to fb if you used FASW, or a mini a/b if you used vinegar.
rahlii said:I was just reading in another thread that dmt salt is slightly soluble in xylene. If this is the case are the steps quoted below efficient, using xylene instead of Shellie for the initial pulls, or is there too much dmt stuck in the xylene after salting to make it worth doing?
Any chemists know the theory behind the solubility of dmt acetate in xylene?
:?:
rahlii said:Seems that the current thoughts on solvents are that xylene is much more efficient at pulling alkaloids from the basified plant aquas solution. Future efforts will be along the following line -
Add 30g of sodium chloride to the basified plant aquas solution to push the alkaloids into the solvent.
Use xylene for the initial pulls from the plant aquas solution. The xylene should be reusable in future extractions.
Salt out with 4% vinegar water.
rebasify and pull with hot shellite.
Sodium carbonate wash combined pulls.
freeze precipitate the entire combined shellite pulls.
rahlii said:I have completed the tek sans pictures.
The Chacruna Spice Tek concludes with the following statement -
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Upon completion of this tek it has become apparent to the author that the release of this document onto the internet could result in negative attention regarding the use of Psychotria viridis for the extraction of DMT freebase. As the use of this plant for the extraction of DMT is likely to be extremely limited given its optimal environmental growth parameters, the author does not wish to disproportionately highlight this alternative use of the plant. The extraction of DMT from Psychotria viridis may also result in the tightening of regulations regarding the growing and sourcing of this traditional Ayahuasca source plant, having a negative impact on the Ayahuasca community.
Out of respect for the Ayahuasca community the author has decided not to make this document freely available on the internet. Please respect the authors' wishes and do not post this tek on the internet.
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If anyone seriously plans to grow and use Chacruna as a sustainable home grown source plant (keep in mind you will need to live in the tropics to grow a usable amount of quality material to make a tek worth while) then send me a pm with your email (can't send PDF through PM) and I will send you the tek. I only ask that you keep the aforementioned paragraph in mind when you decide what to do with it.
The tek pretty much just outlines what has already been discussed within the thread so you won't be missing out on much by not reading it, unless you plan to put it to use.
I just run through the tek and got 1.02% which is pretty much as expected.
And thanks to everyone for helping me refine the tek. I'm sure the folks who will be putting it to use will be thankful also.
syberdelic said:I have been doing some research into growing my own plants for the purpose of extracting. Any sort of tropical plant would require indoor growing and thus artificial lighting which is a bit wasteful. It seems that phalaris grass and desmanthus (bundleflower) are my only two options for a temperate climate that often gets to -10F. The phalaris is tempting, but until some selective breeding and hybridization is done to reduce other alkaloids, there are too many other alkaloids present that I'm not particularly interested in consuming.
The bundleflower seems to be the best option as it is essentially a weed that is native to much of north America. It looks similar to mimosa hostilis in that the root bark is the best/highest potency of DMT. But as they are fast growing weeds that will grow in not so great soil, digging up a handful of them once or twice a year wouldn't have any long lasting negative consequenses. If animals (pets) eat the foilage, it is safe unlike phalaris. And to top it off, any spread of these weeds would actually benefit the environment as they are great for erosion control.
I will be ordering some Desmanthus Leptolobus and Desmanthus Illinoensis seeds soon so that I can get some patches growing for extraction next winter.
I also hope that some of the suppliers of MHRB, since it is such an excellent source, are actually raising orchards of the stuff so that it can be harvested sustainably rather than as some do, take down whole trees in habitat land so that the root bark can be easily harvested.