Extracting maoi and dmt together

[maranello551]

Ok, couple of things....

1. Looking at the "Easy Caapi Extraction" thread leaves me wondering why people use the Manske for Rue.....this could be used for Rue as well right?!

Easy Caapi Vine Alkaloid Extraction Guide - DMT-Nexus Wiki

wiki.dmt-nexus.me

2. Looking at the "iso tek for chaliponga/leaf sources" makes me wonder why this, being similar to the Easy Caapi Extraction tek, couldn't be used for Harmala sources as well....

iso tek for chaliponga/leaf sources. - A/B - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

3. Could one combine powdered Rue or Vine with a powdered DMT source and perform the extraction on the both of them together, and then dissolve them in vinegar to put in a dropper or evaporate to end up with a crystal acetate pharmahuasca to encapsulate?

 

[Nereus]

Hello,

1. People use the Manske procedure for Syrian Rue to separate the harmala alkaloids from the vasicine compounds.A little research on your side won't hurt and will actually provide you with the desired answers, most of which have already been discussed on the forum and explained in the actual teks in the wiki.

Truth is that one could dismiss the manske step with rue, imo it's just a matter of preference regarding purity of end product.

2. The "iso tek for chaliponga/leaf sources" is a tek designed specifically for DMT and other nps soluble alks and could not be used for harmala sources due to the fact that harmala freebase alkaloids are poorly soluble in iso and other nps.

3. Could one combine powdered Rue or Vine with a powdered DMT source and perform the extraction on the both of them together, and then dissolve them in vinegar to put in a dropper or evaporate to end up with a crystal acetate pharmahuasca to encapsulate?

3. The answer imho is No!

There are reasons for which teks are presented the way they are, of course we all like to simplify, but everything has already been simplified to suit the average kitchen alchemist needs.

But once again, I highly advise more reading should be done as these informations you are searching for already exist imbeded in the said teks, and more research won't hurt but will actually help one get a better understanding of the simple chem processes behind it all.

 

[maranello551]

Hello,

1. People use the Manske procedure for Syrian Rue to separate the harmala alkaloids from the vasicine compounds.A little research on your side won't hurt and will actually provide you with the desired answers, most of which have already been discussed on the forum and explained in the actual teks in the wiki.

Truth is that one could dismiss the manske step with rue, imo it's just a matter of preference regarding purity of end product.

Fair.

2. The "iso tek for chaliponga/leaf sources" is a tek designed specifically for DMT and other nps soluble alks and could not be used for harmala sources due to the fact that harmala freebase alkaloids are poorly soluble in iso and other nps.

This could in theory be done with bark sources as well, correct? I fail to see the advantage of doing an A/B with lye and naphtha if one can get such good results with baking soda and alcohol........especially when going for final product intended for oral administration.......am I right?

 

[Nereus]

Sure.

Had a look at dryteks?

I think in a drytek one could replace the hydrocarbons with anhydrous alcohols

 

[fathomlessness]

Hello,

people use the Manske procedure for Syrian Rue to separate the harmala alkaloids from the vasicine compounds.
Truth is that one could dismiss the manske step with rue, imo it's just a matter of preference regarding purity of end product.

Unless you like nausea, best to be removing those vascine compounds.

 

[maranello551]

Hello,

people use the Manske procedure for Syrian Rue to separate the harmala alkaloids from the vasicine compounds.
Truth is that one could dismiss the manske step with rue, imo it's just a matter of preference regarding purity of end product.

Unless you like nausea, best to be removing those vascine compounds.

I don't really get nausea even from ingesting powdered rue seed......it's when I add the admix/light that the nausea happens....:|

 

[fathomlessness]

Hello,

people use the Manske procedure for Syrian Rue to separate the harmala alkaloids from the vasicine compounds.
Truth is that one could dismiss the manske step with rue, imo it's just a matter of preference regarding purity of end product.

Unless you like nausea, best to be removing those vascine compounds.

I don't really get nausea even from ingesting powdered rue seed......it's when I add the admix/light that the nausea happens....:|

Why don't you just start swallowing red hot balls of iron then, hey tough guy?

 

[maranello551]

Why don't you just start swallowing red hot balls of iron then, hey tough guy?

:d I do get discomfort from higher rue doses, but often in the form of headaches, feelings of high blood-pressure, and visibly red facial skin....

I once boiled rue, evaporated it and did alcohol pulls on it and evaporated those before dissolving it all in vinegar and putting it in a dropper bottle......very convenient......

Are vasicine compounds alcohol soluble?