extraction color

[onix]

Hi everyone

It's been a while since I was active on this site and active in the use of mind-expanding substances:wink: Now I've come to a point where I can explore more of the realm of psychedelics.
I did some DMT extractions before. I tried to vape/smoke it, but only had very minor effects due to severe coughing Now I have a vaporgenie and I'm ready to try again.

It's been a little over a year since I last started an extraction. I followed Cyb's hybrid ATB salt tek just until the first pull. Now that i have more time and a better smoking device, I continued 2 days ago and did a first naphtha pull. It had an orange/yellow like color. Even though I had doubts (because the mixture stood aside for over a year), I put it in the freezer anyway. After 12 hours, the naphtha was clear and the bottom was covered in an orange mess, with an occasional DMT globe sticking out. After research by myself and on this website, the most obvious explanation is that because the mixture had a year to get all the alkaloids out of the bark, I also pulled them out, together with (a lot of) plant fats. The fact that everything redissolved into the naphtha (making it orange/yellow again) once my jar was out of the freezer also points to that direction.

Just to be sure that my final product won't fail me and to reassure myself, I thought I'd ask it over here. What do you guys think? Is it OK to smoke? Should I throw it out/definately need to do a re-X?

Thanks in advance
Onix

Edit: more info on the pics.
-First two pictures: jar just came out of the freezer. The orange mess crumbled and came loose from the bottom. Naphtha is clear
-Picture 3-5: the DMT and orange mess is redissolved into the naphtha.
-Last picture: I put it back in the freezer and got it out like this this morning. Some DMT crystals are seen, the bottom is again covered in an orange mess. Naphtha is clear again.

 

[Spaced Out 2]

Probably a lot of N-oxide in the goo, and probably pretty strong if mixed into some leaf. If you want xtals then alow the spice to redissolve in solvent and then decant solvent off leaving goo behind, then refreeze solvent. Keep that goo and test it out, or you can do another mini a/b to help get more fats out. Otherwise I think it would be fine to make some enhanced leaf with, throw that in the vapor genie. Good luck:thumb_up:

If all else fails start over with fresh. And welcome back:grin:

 

[FLeP]

Yeah, I would definitely take a little taste test if I were you!

 

[endlessness]

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[onix]

Hi guys, sorry it took me so long. Thank you for your replies!

I threw in some leave and put it back in the freezer. Now I have much less of a mess or goo sticking to the bottom. So I guess that's good, the herbs seem to have absorbed quite some DMT. I'm planning on trying it later today, or at least this week. I'll keep you updated!

As for the orange mess: only a small chunck remained, but once out of the freezer, it became liquid-like again. It melted,but it was still kind of oily and sticky, so I guess it was a chunck of waxy n-oxide. Is this possible? Or am I overlooking something?

-Spaced Out 2: thanks for the info. I tried your suggestion and added some leave to the naphtha. And thanks for the welcome back!:d

-FLeP: I will:wink:

-endlessness: yeah, I came by this site earlier too, but I thought I'd ask anyway since my main problem was with the naphtha color. Besides, the orange mess/goo on the bottom seemed way to much to be just DMT(or am I wrong?), so it seemed a good idea to post a question about it. Thanks for helping!

Onix

 

[FLeP]

You definitely should have dried the goo out before throwing some leaf into your naphtha. You have no idea how strong your leaf is going to be now. But hey, maybe it'll work just fine. And, personally, I would recommend dissolving your spice in ethanol before evapping onto leaf. No need to give your naphtha more space to get trapped. Some naphthas contain Xylene and other ingredients that take a long time to evap so give your leaf at least a few days in front of a fan. More like at least a week.

 

[Pixar]

Do a test first and maybe re-x it later ?

That's what I would do.

Or just Re-x it straight away if your uneasy about it.

 

[1ce]

(Very) pure DMT in all my experiences should form clear crystals.

White or offwhite seems to be common. Yellow I believe to be NMT-oxide, but you could have fat oils too.

I've had minor luck distilling DMT and obtained a yellow-orange liquid that formed off-white crystals when precipitated from a solvent. I found a sci-madness link where a fellow had an identicle experience. Melting clear crystals in a tube often gave me a clear fluid with a faint yellow tint.


I hope this helps,
1ce

 

[endlessness]

DMT crystals are polymorphic, even pure DMT can be yellow (and it has a different melting point), as the publication that is linked in the thread I mentioned earlier shows.

 

[1ce]

DMT crystals are polymorphic, even pure DMT can be yellow (and it has a different melting point), as the publication that is linked in the thread I mentioned earlier shows.

It doesn't show anything, only offers speculation that it 'might' provide an off color crystal. But I feel confident that this is NMT oxide. (Work with tryptamine, then work with dmt, then throw the dart right in the middle and it makes alot of sense why this would likely be nmt oxide. Tryptamine yellows quite fastm dmt does not).

I would also like to contend that the difference in MP may varienced by partial pressure between dmt and nmt, or perhaps a betacarboline. The data that I've seen was quite dated when DMT was yet to be understood.

I read (and I could try to link you later if you'd like) that the polymorph of DMT is not present while crystalline. I think the only noticable impact is that the polymorph interferes with crystallization offering the compound both crystalline formation, as well as existence in an oily state.

DMT does not readilly crystallize on its own, I believe this to be the only evidence of the polymorph at play. To see for yourself, melt some dmt in a tube and let it cool back to room temp, freese it even. You will notice crystals fail to form.

 

[endlessness]

Did you read the journal publication on polymorphism?

Also, NMT n-oxide doesnt exist.

 

[1ce]

Yes, I have pointed out many times that article clearly states that the polymorph may perhaps cause yellowing in the crystals.

Even if this were true,even if, it would be valid <1% of the time. There is something however that actually does occur, that can lead to adnormalities in the BP of a compound.

Partial pressure - Wikipedia

In all extractions/experiments ever done I cannot produce yellow DMT without impurities being present.