extraction help ~~Acacia podalyriifolia~~defat? solvents??

[biopsylo]

Hi all,
just want to say this is an incredible site!
i have successfully xtracted white dmt with naptha/KOH in stb ONE time. am traveling now, and have come across what i believe is Acacia podalyriifolia. after searching around, i wasn't able to find any solid evidence or actual experience with this tree. I would like to experiment myself and would love to share my results here. i have a few questions that i believe would help steer me in the right direction, so here goes:
in new zealand i have been able to locate the following supplies:
Naoh and KOH
xylene with isoproponol in it
hexane solution with ??
methanol
meth spirits (95% ethanol)
still looking for d-limenoe
there are reports of high nn dmt in the leaves and stems on this acacia.
so....should i dry the leaves first??
should i defat?? and if so with what and how???
and which tek would be best given available materials, or is there something else availabe in new zealand i should be looking for?
thanks in advance!

 

[smokeydaze]

A DMTing Kiwi, a rare bread. I thought all you guys did was drink beer beer and beer. Welcome

Looking around it seems the info on them is vastly spread and skeptical, but no reason why you shouldn't set the record straight.

I would suggest working with the bark first to get a true result of its potential, using The DMT Handbook (AB) which you can find here The DMT Handbook - Now Available - FAQ - All your basic questions and answers - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

Be sure to keep us updated and good luck !

 

[biopsylo]

hehe, well, i'm not a real kiwi, but i would give them a little more credit, as we all dream right??:d
my concern with taking bark is that i'm not sure it can be done sustainably, i.e. i don't want to kill the small trees.
if A. Shulgin says there is dmt in the leaves, do we give him the benefit of the doubt?
if so, do the leaves need to be completely dried?
i have just downloaded the handbook, and will give it a read.
in general, which do you think would be a better non-polar solvent for xtracting--xylene with 15% isoproponal alcohol, or xylene with about 15% Methyl ethyl keytone? --not sure why they dont sell pure solvents here?!?
thanks much

 

[endlessness]

if its true that the leaves contain dmt, then I guess one does not need to dry it, as the dmt will be there anyways and the leaves will be added to an acqueous solution soon after, so...

the defat is always more effective if done with the exact same solvent that the extraction is done with...

I would definitely not use the xylene/isop. mix, because alcohol is miscible with water, so it will stay on the bottom acqueous layer, trapping some of the alkaloids. MEK I dont know

I would look for this hexane.. what does it say in the label? if you run a search on the internet for this brand, can you come up with more detailed information?

Hardware stores and paint supply shops are the places to look for solvents, but I guess you already know that.

 

[Phlux-]

hey u know thinking about it now - perhaps the xylene/iso can be mixed with water same way as u clean ur xylene after fasa for reuse.
as in the iso part mixes with the water and the xylene doesnt - so u can mix with water - shake - separate and repeat - that way u should be left with a water/iso mix and xylene separate - is there any error in my thinking ?

 

[endlessness]

If I understand what you mean, then before making the whole process, mixing the xylene/iso mix with pure water to separate the xylene from the rest, right?

Seems doable.. but for each shake/separate I would throw away the water/iso and put new fresh water.. I am not sure on the numbers, but lets say for the sake of argument that when you mix the xylene/iso with water, 50% of the iso stay with xylene and 50% goes to the water.. Now, if one mixes once, throws away the water, and puts the '50% cleaner xylene in fresh water, then again 50% should go to the water, so then one would. have only 25% of the original iso amount mixed with xylene. Do this enough times and theoretically one could get a quite 'clean' xylene. Maybe someone else can check our line of reasoning here.

BUT... xylene sucks.. It stinks like hell, is quite toxic, and tends to always remain in traces in the final product no matter how long you leave it evaporating.. Plus the fact that he would be extracting from some quite unknown tree, which means he couldnt really confirm in the end how much dmt yield he gets because it wouldnt be pure dmt but some kind of acacia jungle spice (or so I imagine)

So in the case of our friend, I would try to find a hexane/heptane/naphtha equivalent there..

 

[biopsylo]

thanks for imput~~
so many solvents, so little time:roll:
i heard of a larger "box store" type of hardware store that opened recently in the area, so mabye i will have a look over there for some naptha. this is the solvent i have some experience with anyhow, just all this talk of "jungle spice" has me quite interested--thats why i was looking for xylene. i will have another look at hexane containing solvent. if my memory serves, it just listed grams of hexane per litre, and no other ingredients listed. quite vague compared to what i am used to. truth in labeling!!
also located 2 other acacia species that may be worh cracking open for a quick looksee.
cheers