Extremely harsh smoke

[Baring-Strait]

Hi
Sorry if Im posting in the wrong place. Im new here and can't yet post in a more appropriate section.

I have just completed my first extraction from 100g MHRB using Vovins tek. I used citric acid as a first step, xylene 3x to defat then basified with NAOH. I extracted using heptane and freeze precipitated then recrystallised again with fresh heptane.

The final product is a gram of fluffy pure white crystal.
I was very meticulous and careful in the whole operation yet the final product when applied to the tongue burns and makes my tongue go numb.
I have smoked the extract through my Vaporgenie (yes I did it right and didn't burn it) and am left with a very sore tongue ad throat and my lungs hurt badly. I regret having tried it an am fairly worried.

REMOVED and this was nowhere near as harsh.

I dont want to throw away my product but need to figure out a way to clean it more, to elimanate the crazy burn.
Any advice will be very much appreciated.

Thanks in advance

 

[0110101001100011]

I would advise you to perform a sodium carb wash on your crystals.

 

[Baring-Strait]

Thanks Jayrocco
I dont really see how i can be left with any contaminants after the rex but i will try it.

My friend tried the sodium carbonate wash and lost nearly all of her product and I am scared that this will happen to me also.

Nothing to lose I guess given the extreme harshness

 

[0110101001100011]

I just read over vovins tek, and it seems pretty straight forward.
It shouldn't leave any solvent or lye in the final product, but... it really shouldn't be that harsh on the tongue and lungs

 

[Baring-Strait]

Yeah, I can't understand it at all.

 

[arcologist]

Freebase DMT is not friendly towards mucus membranes. It's supposed to burn on your tongue (and makes it go numb).

It's probably something wrong with your smoking technique.

 

[sleepermustawaken]

Yep, it's harsh as a motherf. I like the idea of smoking anywhere on demand but have gone off it because of the lung damage. I am trying to switch to needles and dmt-fumarate but am still a bit hesitant I guess, IM have worked though and felt nice.

You should buy some mullein and make tea from it, mix some honey for the taste and it will clear your lungs after smoking it, that is of course if you are going to continue down this road (ROA).

Or even better.. smoke less of it buy taking an oral dose first. the only downside is the trip will last longer unless u have a problem with that? your batch will go further therefor... that's about all the advice I can give you :thumb_up:

 

[Baring-Strait]

Hi Arcologist
It is over 24 hours since trying it and still my lungs are tight and my tongue and throat are raw.
I have researched fairly extensively with spice made by others and this has never ben an issue.
So, yeah, I dont really know what is going on but i doubt its the technique.

Does anyone know how I can test the PH of the crystals?

 

[Baring-Strait]

Thanks for the helpful advice sleepermustawaken.
I will research the tea and try to get some later today. I plan on a steam room too.

 

[3rdI]

Yep, it's harsh as a motherf.

no its not, its only harsh if its contaminated or you fail to vape it correctly.

clean well vaped DMT is smooth

 

[Baring-Strait]

3rdI Its clean stuff I believe so perhaps its my technique although this doesn't account for the burn when i taste the crystals.
Im wondering whether the less pure, slightly yellow stuff I tried before has a more forgiving heat range before it burns than the very dry white powder i now have. Perhaps my old technique doesn't work.

 

[3rdI]

my DMT burns my tongue and is smooth and lovely to vape.

i think that fats ect in the DMT can protect it from the heat. A lot of people come here saying there technique is fine and then find out it isnt, most of them are using an inferrior device but if your using a Genie then who knows.

maybe just back off the heat a little, or try infused herb and see if that makes a difference

Are you using a classic or glass VG?

 

[sleepermustawaken]

Yep, it's harsh as a motherf.

no its not, its only harsh if its contaminated or you fail to vape it correctly.

clean well vaped DMT is smooth

That's why terrence mckenna tells his followers that "you gotta have leather lungs for this stuff". Maybe your a smoker that's why it isn't so bad for you but for people who exercise and need full lung capacity it is incredibly hurting... :x

Thanks for the helpful advice sleepermustawaken.
I will research the tea and try to get some later today. I plan on a steam room too.

cool, maybe even try acetone it on to some mullein, I remember that made things a little smoother for me.

 

[3rdI]

That's why terrence mckenna tells his followers that "you gotta have leather lungs for this stuff".

McKenna didnt have a GVG, or infused herb, neither require leather lungs, he used a crack pipe of sorts and clearly burnt his DMT.

there are non smokers on the Nexus who will attest to the smoothness of properly vaped DMT. McKenna is not the fountain of all knowledge when it comes to DMT, he is just the most beautifully vocal.

maybe even try acetone it on to some mullein, I remember that made things a little smoother for me.

what device are you using to vape crystals?

if smoking infused mullien is smoother than vaping straight crystals then i think your vape technique is to blame for the harshness

 

[sleepermustawaken]

That's why terrence mckenna tells his followers that "you gotta have leather lungs for this stuff".

McKenna didnt have a GVG, or infused herb, neither require leather lungs, he used a crack pipe of sorts and clearly burnt his DMT.

there are non smokers on the Nexus who will attest to the smoothness of properly vaped DMT. McKenna is not the fountain of all knowledge when it comes to DMT, he is just the most beautifully vocal.

maybe even try acetone it on to some mullein, I remember that made things a little smoother for me.

what device are you using to vape crystals?

if smoking infused mullien is smoother than vaping straight crystals then i think your vape technique is to blame for the harshness

Vapor genie, yeah I guess your right maybe I just have very sensitive lungs, everytime I exercise afterwoulds I am spitting up phlem and my lungs ache.

 

[TGO]

Yep, it's harsh as a motherf.

no its not, its only harsh if its contaminated or you fail to vape it correctly.

clean well vaped DMT is smooth

Indeed. 8)

Most of the time when a thread like this pops up, it is due to minor/major flaws in smoking/vaping technique. Like 3rdI said, try switching up your method of administration or tweaking your current technique. DMT vapor should be smooth. Some people have described the burnt DMT feeling as though they have a "marble(s) in their throat" which I can personally attest to.

Changa in a standard water bong is the way I do it these days. Incredibly smooth that way...

Good luck!

 

[Baring-Strait]

Hi
This is interesting. Once recovered I will try again and post an update.
My Vaporgenie is an aluminium classic. I know the glass ones are better but I wanted something more easily transportable.
I really appreciate the feedback

 

[Sakkadelic]

You know the feeling when u touch lye and u wash ur hand? If it gives u the same slippery feeling when u put it on ur tongue then there could be lye in it. I'm not sure of what I just wrote maybe freebase dmt can cause the same feeling. once my freebase harmala had lye in it and that's how i knew and washed it

 

[smokerx]

I bet you burned it. It does not take too much to do so. I have been there and done that You just need to master the technique.

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

You burned it, end of story... It would take a massive screw-up to get enough lye in your final product that it just doesn't seem plausible; you seem to know what you're doing to at least that degree.

Cool DMT vapor is floral with a slight rubber/camphor overtone, and if it's around room temp it is actually remarkably smooth and almost has a minty feel. Burned DMT smoke or the vapor from already-burned DMT feels and tastes awful, and can cause major, long-lasting tightness and irritation like you describe.


Perhaps the other spice you've experimented with was simply of a lesser quality? Gooey or waxy DMT tolerates heat much better, and takes a slightly higher temperature to vaporize thoroughly. If you have nice, fluffy snow-white crystals, it will fully vaporize almost immediately upon hitting the required temperature, and any excess heat at all will burn whatever is left.

I suggest using a lower temperature, smoother tokes and possibly switching to a conduction vaporizer (like the Essential VAAAP) which does not let hot air come in contact with the spice, but rather circulates cold air over it as it vaporizes. In this way, even if you manage to burn the dose, it will not be harsh and you can still take and hold tokes without lung or throat damage.

(Be warned though, overheated DMT tastes awful no matter what... And it can produce very uncomfortable, powerful experiences for some people.)