Eyeballing a good dose?

[flyinflyout]

Hey, so the other day i went and bought this scale to measure out ingredients and for measuring doses later on. As it turns out, the lowest amount it recognizes is 0.1g, so i figured i would just measure out .1, then split that amount in half and have a 50mg dose. heres the catch. i bought the scale at an asian convenience store and as you'd expect its a big piece of shit. it doesnt really measure .1 because its not sensitive enough to really pick it up. as long as you go slowly you can add as much weight as you want and it wont even notice.

so heres my questions, can you eyeball a good ~50mg dose of dmt? like what would you compare it to in size? I read that someone else says its similar to the diameter of a nickel and the thickness of two dimes, does this sound reasonable? help me out please

 

[jamie]

no.

Make changa or enhanced leaf so it is easier to weigh and eyeball. Otherwise good luck. I mean you can just load it up and smoke until you cant smoke anymore..but again..good luck with that:d

 

[flyinflyout]

Thanks, but I think I'm gonna wait a little while after to make changa as this will be my first experience and want to meet dimitri all on his own. I think I might just load it up and shoot for the stars. Any left-overs should be good for the next voyage I assume. thanks for the well wishes haha

 

[Pandora]

Different people have different colors, crystal size, consistency, etc. of spice, so one eyeballed 50 mg dose is NOT necessarily going to be like another. It is worth the time and expense (under $40 American last I checked) to get an inexpensive mg "Jeweler's Scale." DMT is strong medicine and eyeballing doses is sketchy on a good day . . . .

 

[OVERDOSE]

eyeballing has always worked fine for me, smoke however much I want and the remainder is left in the pipe!

 

[jbark]

I read that someone else says its similar to the diameter of a nickel and the thickness of two dimes, does this sound reasonable? help me out please

Crystal size, humidity and storage environment all contribute to making vastly variable densities of spice, meaning 2 piles of different spice (or the same spice stored diferently) that look the same may be different by up to a dangerous factor of three (roughly) . The size you read about sounds dangerously HUGE, even with very fluffy spice. Please do not do this amount, and don't start your relationship to spice this way.

All I can suggest is to measure up a gram, divide into 2 roughly equal piles of 500mg, divide one pile again into two 250mg piles, then again to get to 125, 62.5 and (very approximately) two piles of 32mg. Then vape/smoke that. If you need to up it, divide the other 32 into two and add that 16 to half the remaining 62.5 to get (again, VERY approximately) 48 mg. I doubt with a decent smoking technique that you will EVER want to go beyond this. Even 32 mg is over the top for many.

Please be careful and start slow. It will be worth your while. You can always work your way UP to larger doses, but many who take a too large dose at first never want to go back (and this margin, even measured accurately, is very fine).

Let us know how it goes.

Cheers,

JBArk

 

[marleyman]

Thanks, but I think I'm gonna wait a little while after to make changa as this will be my first experience and want to meet dimitri all on his own. I think I might just load it up and shoot for the stars. Any left-overs should be good for the next voyage I assume. thanks for the well wishes haha

Ive had a ton of successful journeys on dmitri alone, no doubt its easier to smoke a break through dose like that. You really should give changa a try though, trust me it's worth it. I tried it two days ago for first time and I was blown away by how much simpler it is to burn proper

 

[flyinflyout]

Thanks everyone, I think I'll give changa a try. Still waiting on my mhrb to show up, its taken over two weeks with canada post all backed up from their strike and what not. thanks again

 

[olympus mon]

eyeballing has always worked fine for me, smoke however much I want and the remainder is left in the pipe!

agreed, i actually didnt purchase a milligram scale till my second year of using dmt.:lol: although it probably would have been easier if i had one early on i feel there are ways to "eyeball" and have good success.

i used a flat head mini screwdriver. i would scoop what visually appeared to be a consistent amount each time on the flat head. after many many dmt sessions i became fairly accurate in guesstimating. once i got a scale i weighed my preferred visual ammount and was happy to see it was 33mg.

another good method to use is to count the hits. load up an ample amount of dmt and begin with one solid hit and kick back and see. notice the effects one good hit gave you. next time try 2 hits, kick back and evaluate, next time try 3 ext ext.
for me usually 3 good hits was all it took. sometimes i had technical troubles and eneded up taking more due to the crappy meth type pipe i was using but thats a whole another story. those type of pipes arent very good for smoking dmt.


everything people have said here is accurate. there just many ways to skin a cat. a lot depends on your method and tools. if you use a gvg a milli scale is a great advantage because it is possible to take a 20-30mg hit in one solid toke once you've mastered the vapor genie. with a gvg eyeballing can get you into trouble though due to its efficiency. i learned that the hard way so go easy till you get your feet wet.

also consider this, dmt is so here and there that i sometimes feel going off of my senses and feelings is as good as accuratly measuring. ive vaped 40mg before and litteraly felt just threshold effects and other times have loaded only 20mg and had full on deep breakthrough journey. its a crap shoot even when its coming from the same stash and ingested in the the same manner. thats one thing for sure, dmt is all over the board so sometimes i question folks who are such strict proponents that weighing is the only solid method.

food for thought, remember its your personal relationship with dmt that matters most. do what you feel comfortable with

 

[skid750]

Eyeballing a dose is great. A nice pile the size of your pinky nail is a low dose and a higher dose is an index finger nail pile. And there is always the thumbnail The majority of scales that 'should' read small amounts are really not accurate enough to trust at those levels, so don't worry about it. They are good for weighing yeilds though.

+1 on swim also having some great low dose rides compared to higher ones. Set & Setting > Size.

 

[gibran2]

It really depends on how you administer the dose. If you take numerous small/medium-sized hits, then you can somewhat gauge the intensity of the experience as you go, and measuring is not quite so important. (Although what is left in your smoking device will be somewhat pyrolized, and after several uses will contain plenty of decomposition products).

However, if you administer a dose as I do – deeply inhaling from a GVG and keep inhaling until no more vapor is being produced – then measurement is very important. Even a few milligrams beyond a normal breakthrough dose can send one on a much more intense journey than anticipated.

 

[flyinflyout]

^ im gonna smoke it in a bong and try and take it all in one hit, fuck a crackpipe. a vapor genies just the rich mans crack pipe. and jbark that method sounds good, ill probably end up doing that, sandwiched between other herbs.

 

[Ice House]

^ a vapor genies just the rich mans crack pipe.

Fellow Nexian, I am very sorry to hear you feel that way. Obviously that statement is not based on any experience you have had with a vapor genie.

Your entitled to you opinion.

Ther a MANY very experienced Nexians who use them regularly that are not rich.

I have never ever heard of anyone smoking crack through one. I am sure they were not designed for that purpose.

^ a vapor genies just the rich mans crack pipe.

:shock:

 

[flyinflyout]

lol im just sayin like, a lot of people say a poor mans something, idk just something about burning crystals in a tube with a bic gives off a crackhead vibe. but not ur typical run-of-the mill crackhead, a crackhead that puts time n effort into smoking his crack, a connoissuer if you will. a bongs good enough for me.

 

[gibran2]

lol im just sayin like, a lot of people say a poor mans something, idk just something about burning crystals in a tube with a bic gives off a crackhead vibe. but not ur typical run-of-the mill crackhead, a crackhead that puts time n effort into smoking his crack, a connoissuer if you will. a bongs good enough for me.

You’ve obviously never used a GVG or anything similar. First, with the GVG you don’t “burn crystals in a tube with a Bic”. A dose is vaporized in a chamber whose temperature is maintained by a silicon carbide foam heat diffuser, usually with a torch lighter as a heat source.

A crack pipe heats DMT via conduction – a heating method that almost guarantees pyrolysis and extremely harsh smoke. A GVG heats by convection and generates pure DMT vapor – so smooth that often you don’t even realize you’re inhaling anything other than warm air.

A bong is much better than a crack pipe, but it doesn’t come close to the performance of a GVG.

 

[flyinflyout]

ahh my bad, i was picturing a henny bottle machine in my head, wrong pipe.

 

[corpus callosum]

As a slight side-issue, freebase cocaine (as opposed to the inferior 'crack') via the GVG is alot better than the glass pipes cracksmokers tend to use.The GVG is one flexible tool indeed!!

 

[Wave Rider]

To be honest, what I do when I vape, as opposed to drink huasca, is just pile a bunch of spice on top of a layer of cigarette ashes, and then top that with more ashes. I slowly bring the flame to the bowl, and inhale multiple hits until satisfied. Sometimes there is enough left for another journey, depending on how much i add, sometimes i consume all of it, and sometimes i accidentally burn it and do not even break through. But if you are lacking a VG and lacking a reliable scale, i would suggest that you just pile a bunch on a regular pipe w/ashes and smoke, taking slow steady hits, until you cannot smoke any more. Usually two or three, or sometimes even four hits. It all depends on how much you waste due to burning, but as long as you take it slow, it will be very hard to take too much....as a matter of fact it will be difficult to take enough, let alone too much. Best wishes!

 

[JilPil]

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