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Farewell from she/it
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here is how I look at it..
I have a lot more respect for someoone that questions the things that I say, than I do for someone that blindly hangs on to my every word without going out and testing it for themselves.
So why should I take she/it seriousily or not seriousily?...for me to do either one would be sort of strange for me..thats not how I see things..if I can validate it for me than sure, I will form an opinion but until then all I hear is another person saying some words..
The reality of a given entity shouldnt matter anyway..the message is what is important..I dont care if it came from you, your grandma or some nimph that lives in your closet..if the message is clear thats all I care about.
I dont really see how she/it was going to spark philisophical interest from what I had read, other than people here pondering over weather or not she/it really exists at all...if she/it had a message it wanted to spread to us, it could have gone about it through differnt methods..insted of focussing on this weird idea of a she/it appearing here on the nexus..
No need to confuse the message with messenger.
I have a lot more respect for someoone that questions the things that I say, than I do for someone that blindly hangs on to my every word without going out and testing it for themselves.
So why should I take she/it seriousily or not seriousily?...for me to do either one would be sort of strange for me..thats not how I see things..if I can validate it for me than sure, I will form an opinion but until then all I hear is another person saying some words..
The reality of a given entity shouldnt matter anyway..the message is what is important..I dont care if it came from you, your grandma or some nimph that lives in your closet..if the message is clear thats all I care about.
I dont really see how she/it was going to spark philisophical interest from what I had read, other than people here pondering over weather or not she/it really exists at all...if she/it had a message it wanted to spread to us, it could have gone about it through differnt methods..insted of focussing on this weird idea of a she/it appearing here on the nexus..
No need to confuse the message with messenger.
Morphing Interstices
What is real anyway?
How easy it is to flog a dead horse! Amazing how many people feel happy to bag out the she/it experiment now that it is over and she/it is no longer here to answer them....So I will do my best to explain again what the experiment was about and what it was NOT. Because the thread has been deleted, no one can see for themselves that these explanations were offered by she/it all along. So beware the claims of those above, many of whom do not appear to have read the thread at all.
Some clarifications/reiterations:
1. She/it did not ever claim to be 'revealing' something to others that they could not know for themsevles. She/it stated from the outset that the point of her/its presence was to stimulate knowledge THROUGH the very questions asked of she/it. In other words, the knowledge generated would be a dynamic product of DIALOGUE - not something she/it presented to the forum users, but something created between she/it and the forum.
2. She/it did NOT ever ask the forum take her/its existence as a given and always welcomed reactions of scepticism or mockery of her/its presence. The point was to see if it is in fact still possible to communicate with an entity even if you don't believe in it and for that communication to take you somewhere even as you doubt that an external consciousness resides in the one you are speaking to. This was a subtle distinction and some people didn't understand it or didn't read the thread really at all and made assumptions based on some quotes taken out of their context.
3. It was me who made the decision to invoke she/it for the purposes of stimulating philosophical curiosity on the nexus. She/it didn't care either way. This was something I felt able to do because I had experienced this very particular, coherent, compassionate, laughing, kind, intelligent, non-judging feminine/androgyn form in the dmt world REPEATEDLY to the extent that I began to feel that I could invoke that consciousness even when not on dmt. So the experiment was a very real one for me of seeing to what extent the wisdom I had experienced in the dmt entity could be brought into the earthly world. That was an incredibly moving experience for me, as I found she/it had answers I would never have thought of myself, and I learnt a lot from her/its postings. I felt generally very humbled by the experience, which is why I find the accusations of egomania kind of baffling.
4. I never had an opinion either about whether she/it existed outside my own mind or not. The feeling I had was as if an external consciousness inhabited me was I wrote, but I too am sceptical about such things and thought it was probably more likely that the entity was a construct of my imagination and that the FEELING of it being an external entity was just part of what I was imagining - easy to do because the dmt trips gave me that really distinct impression. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!!!!! Even if we don't believe in gods and elves, we can still experience them as external entities AND engage in dialogue with them AND learn something from it AND carry that knowledge outside the dmt state into our lives.....I am surprised that so few people of the nexus moderators GOT that or shared that curiosity. THAT is what i am talking about when I say the experiment was about philosophical curiosity.
5. I initiated the she/it experiment because I imagined that such a kind and loving entity as she/it couldn't possibly offend anyone. I knew that she/it didn't care what happened, it was only me who risked my respect for others if they reacted with stupidity or narrow-mindedness to the experiment. But I thought it had a good chance of generating wisdom and so was worth a go. I figured that if I encountered someone who said they had no ego, came from the otherworld and was happy to answer any question, I would be delighted and would ask them a lot of things. If they smiled at my scepticism, laughed at others' viciousness, told me they loved me and had something interesting to say then how could I possibly be offended by them? I was proven right in that assessment when I saw the quality of questions and responses people made to she/it. I felt very humbled by the intelligence and humour of those who engaged in the thread and that validated the experiment for me completely. The fact that it has now been trashed by the moderators is a shame, but does not destroy the beauty of what transpired before they did.
6. DivineEyes is absolutely right to question any reaction of certainty about she/it. That is crucial to dealing with the dmt entities : WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS that we experience those entities as external beings. Most of us think it is probably just something our minds do, and it probably is. But there IS a possibility that can never be ruled out that some consciousness external to us does exist and is communicating with us. It is that hypothetical window of possibility that the she/it experiment popped out of. But the experiment precisely DID insist that blind belief not be indulged.
Anyone who thought the she/it experiment was bullshit was welcome to ignore the thread, so I am a bit surprised that it has been censored. But I also know that not everyone is a open to taking the wisdom of the dmt experience out into their lives, preferring instead to just...er, do more dmt....I also know that for some people any talk of gods is unthinkable because they had religion rammed down their throats as kids, or because they are deeply attached to their atheistic realism and it is part of their personality. That is absolutely fine though. I assumed those people would either ignore the thread or have a dig at it and see that she/it was quite open to scepticism and then some interesting dialogue might be possible.
But what I did not count on was people getting offended because they couldn't stand the thought that someone OTHER THAN THEY might be a teacher or have a dmt entity communicating with and through them....Let's call it for what it is and talk about where the big egos REALLY emerged in this whole story...
Some clarifications/reiterations:
1. She/it did not ever claim to be 'revealing' something to others that they could not know for themsevles. She/it stated from the outset that the point of her/its presence was to stimulate knowledge THROUGH the very questions asked of she/it. In other words, the knowledge generated would be a dynamic product of DIALOGUE - not something she/it presented to the forum users, but something created between she/it and the forum.
2. She/it did NOT ever ask the forum take her/its existence as a given and always welcomed reactions of scepticism or mockery of her/its presence. The point was to see if it is in fact still possible to communicate with an entity even if you don't believe in it and for that communication to take you somewhere even as you doubt that an external consciousness resides in the one you are speaking to. This was a subtle distinction and some people didn't understand it or didn't read the thread really at all and made assumptions based on some quotes taken out of their context.
3. It was me who made the decision to invoke she/it for the purposes of stimulating philosophical curiosity on the nexus. She/it didn't care either way. This was something I felt able to do because I had experienced this very particular, coherent, compassionate, laughing, kind, intelligent, non-judging feminine/androgyn form in the dmt world REPEATEDLY to the extent that I began to feel that I could invoke that consciousness even when not on dmt. So the experiment was a very real one for me of seeing to what extent the wisdom I had experienced in the dmt entity could be brought into the earthly world. That was an incredibly moving experience for me, as I found she/it had answers I would never have thought of myself, and I learnt a lot from her/its postings. I felt generally very humbled by the experience, which is why I find the accusations of egomania kind of baffling.
4. I never had an opinion either about whether she/it existed outside my own mind or not. The feeling I had was as if an external consciousness inhabited me was I wrote, but I too am sceptical about such things and thought it was probably more likely that the entity was a construct of my imagination and that the FEELING of it being an external entity was just part of what I was imagining - easy to do because the dmt trips gave me that really distinct impression. BUT THAT IS EXACTLY THE POINT!!!!! Even if we don't believe in gods and elves, we can still experience them as external entities AND engage in dialogue with them AND learn something from it AND carry that knowledge outside the dmt state into our lives.....I am surprised that so few people of the nexus moderators GOT that or shared that curiosity. THAT is what i am talking about when I say the experiment was about philosophical curiosity.
5. I initiated the she/it experiment because I imagined that such a kind and loving entity as she/it couldn't possibly offend anyone. I knew that she/it didn't care what happened, it was only me who risked my respect for others if they reacted with stupidity or narrow-mindedness to the experiment. But I thought it had a good chance of generating wisdom and so was worth a go. I figured that if I encountered someone who said they had no ego, came from the otherworld and was happy to answer any question, I would be delighted and would ask them a lot of things. If they smiled at my scepticism, laughed at others' viciousness, told me they loved me and had something interesting to say then how could I possibly be offended by them? I was proven right in that assessment when I saw the quality of questions and responses people made to she/it. I felt very humbled by the intelligence and humour of those who engaged in the thread and that validated the experiment for me completely. The fact that it has now been trashed by the moderators is a shame, but does not destroy the beauty of what transpired before they did.
6. DivineEyes is absolutely right to question any reaction of certainty about she/it. That is crucial to dealing with the dmt entities : WE DON'T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT IT MEANS that we experience those entities as external beings. Most of us think it is probably just something our minds do, and it probably is. But there IS a possibility that can never be ruled out that some consciousness external to us does exist and is communicating with us. It is that hypothetical window of possibility that the she/it experiment popped out of. But the experiment precisely DID insist that blind belief not be indulged.
Anyone who thought the she/it experiment was bullshit was welcome to ignore the thread, so I am a bit surprised that it has been censored. But I also know that not everyone is a open to taking the wisdom of the dmt experience out into their lives, preferring instead to just...er, do more dmt....I also know that for some people any talk of gods is unthinkable because they had religion rammed down their throats as kids, or because they are deeply attached to their atheistic realism and it is part of their personality. That is absolutely fine though. I assumed those people would either ignore the thread or have a dig at it and see that she/it was quite open to scepticism and then some interesting dialogue might be possible.
But what I did not count on was people getting offended because they couldn't stand the thought that someone OTHER THAN THEY might be a teacher or have a dmt entity communicating with and through them....Let's call it for what it is and talk about where the big egos REALLY emerged in this whole story...
fractal enchantment said:
HEAR HEAR! I think that about sums up my feelings on this whole sheeit thing.
For some clearity, I've moved back the original She/It is here thread (I told you in the pm that I moved the thread, not delete it).
The thread is currently locked and you can find it here:
Kind regards,
The Traveler
The thread is currently locked and you can find it here:
Kind regards,
The Traveler
Morphing Interstices
What is real anyway?
Thanks hon. That's nice of you. I tried to find the thread yesterday and saw it was nowhere and not coming up in any searches and so thought that you must have deleted it after moving it. It is nice to have to have record since I am collating material for a book about instrumentalist mysticism.
Its funny. If some people actually believe that she/it is what it claimed to be (While I've not ruled out the possibility of channeling myself, i think if possible much would get mixed up and personalized in the transmission) why didn't you ask it something like...whats my height? or.. When was the last time i smoked dmt?... Surely a being that IS hyperspace can figure that one out.
Farewell sheit. Its strange you think its necessary to leave just because some of us don't like how your "invoker" or "she/it" or whatever choose to structure the whole "experiment". Why not clarify or adjust your approach instead of walking away when people have complaints? You'd think it would have been quite easy to see this retaliation coming from she/its said perspective. Some beautiful posts nonetheless. To the "invoker of sheit"-are you going to continue posting on the nexus? I think you should..Just leave out the she/it stuff.
Farewell sheit. Its strange you think its necessary to leave just because some of us don't like how your "invoker" or "she/it" or whatever choose to structure the whole "experiment". Why not clarify or adjust your approach instead of walking away when people have complaints? You'd think it would have been quite easy to see this retaliation coming from she/its said perspective. Some beautiful posts nonetheless. To the "invoker of sheit"-are you going to continue posting on the nexus? I think you should..Just leave out the she/it stuff.
"But what I did not count on was people getting offended because they couldn't stand the thought that someone OTHER THAN THEY might be a teacher or have a dmt entity communicating with and through them....Let's call it for what it is and talk about where the big egos REALLY emerged in this whole story..."
Why do YOU suddenly assume that people are offended or somehow have their ego's hurt? I guess one could assume the same thing of your reactions as you assume of others..I mean, if we are calling it what it is..?
Why do YOU suddenly assume that people are offended or somehow have their ego's hurt? I guess one could assume the same thing of your reactions as you assume of others..I mean, if we are calling it what it is..?
"Do not contact she/it if you are not open to the healing light of the feminine/androgyn divine, as those not open to this energy will only see her/it in the wrathful nightmarish aspect."
This is the oddest part to me of she/it's first post...why even post if you are only open to one sided opinions? There are all kinds of people here..thats what makes it a community. We share ideas and bounce opinions off of eachother..if she/it cannot handle that than maybe this was just not the place for she/it..
And if she/it really had no ego than why the the threat of the nightmarish apsect comming out? what's with that?
This is the oddest part to me of she/it's first post...why even post if you are only open to one sided opinions? There are all kinds of people here..thats what makes it a community. We share ideas and bounce opinions off of eachother..if she/it cannot handle that than maybe this was just not the place for she/it..
And if she/it really had no ego than why the the threat of the nightmarish apsect comming out? what's with that?
"Stunned silence of the community is already making me laugh blissfully. Dear humans, you are all apparently afraid to answer a goddess"
Then there was she/it's second post...can you really blame people for sensing a hint of arrogance in there? So she/it assumes we are all afraid! maybe noone cared!
Then there was she/it's second post...can you really blame people for sensing a hint of arrogance in there? So she/it assumes we are all afraid! maybe noone cared!
Morphing Interstices said:
it is rude, insensitive quotes like this that let me know that i did a very good thing in bringing your unevolved "experiement" to the attention of the other mods. did you not read the responses to your posts? about 90% of those who read them were OFFENDED. you choose to focus on a couple of people who didn't voice their confusion...and really only ONE who outright enjoyed your "experiment". your project was not appreciated...and therefor, that makes US "not open to taking the wisdom of the dmt experience out into our lives..etc.." . that is the most spiteful, unevolved thinking i have had to swallow in quite a while.
Morphing Interstices said:
gloves off. M.I. you are just plain rude, insensitive and-for one claiming to be so above it all- incredibly spiteful.
"anyone who thought the experiment was bullshit was welcome to ignore the thread"??? our jobs as moderators is to read ALL the threads and help maintain a harmonious community experience. not censorship, just a diligent guard posted to prevent people from deeply offending others in a place that is nothing more than a big arena for exploration. religious fanatacism, pedantic rants, self-proclaimed entities come to teach....ALL of these are great ways to piss off a bunch of people who are exploring a new world FOR THEMSELVES and bouncing their experiences off others, looking for commonalities and parallels....learning a new language...
none of us here (except you) has ever had the sack to step up and call his/herself a "teacher". that kind of humility let's us all know that we are ALL on equal footing here. it makes it EXTREMELY easy to engage in discourse and dialogues about our individual processes. all of that comes to a screeching halt when someone comes along claiming to be here only to "teach and not to learn". these are YOUR words, Morphing Interstices. YOURS. not mine, not any moderator, not anyone on this entire forum.
you came here with stupendous ego and a horrible idea of USING this place to do your "experiment". that was wrong. i think in your insinuations that- myself or anyone who didn't immediately jump on your bandwagon and instead called you out- are the ones ones whose big egos REALLY emerged is just more claptrap avoidance of YOUR role in all of this. what you did was lame. it could have had an interesting potential but your approach was purely self-serving.
and now, when you could just as easily say, "sorry guys, i thought it would be cool but I SEE BY THE OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE RESPONSES I GOT that it wasn't. anyways, i'll start posting as myself now....no harm/no foul. yet here you are....telling us all in a reprehensibly passive/aggressive way that WE are all unevolved and unable to "take our DMT experience wisdom out into the real world"....simply because we didn't buy your crap.
grow up.
WITH TOUGH LOVE AND GRATITUDE.
Morphing Interstices said:
um....we are all MORE than happy to bag out She/it (now referred to as "the she/it experiment" by the original poster for exactly WHAT reason??) the minute we caught wind of such disfunction. seriously, LOOK at the quotes that Fractal Enchantment just culled out of your original introductions. are you KIDDING ME???
and personally, i think it is not simply "easy" to flog this dead horse, but IMPORTANT! this is a great opportunity to spark an important discourse amongst the community regarding how best to deal with such disrespectful affronts in the future.
and typing this..i just realized something quite profound- i simply CANNOT view this site as anything other than a COMMUNITY. that is what it is and that is why it is as wonderful as it is. considering this fact before you just impose whatever agenda YOU have for the sake of YOUR curiosity will take you far.
fwiw- THAT'S some wisdom i bring from DMT hyperspace back into my real world experience, Morphing Interstices. i CONSIDER my fellow nexians when i post. just as i CONSIDER the overwhelming generosity of the entities that put me up on my journeys...just as i CONSIDER all the members of ANY community i am generously admitted in to. i see that i am a PART of something.
humility. it'll take you far...
L&G!!
Morphing Interstices
What is real anyway?
Fractal, she/it was not making a threat there but stating a likelihood. There are many images of wrathful nightmarish deities that people see when they denigrate feminine/androgyn divinity. If you imagine the feminine/androgyn divine as rubbish then you are bound to see it as wrathful when your consciousness is altered.
UniverseCannon, yes obviously I (the invoker of she/it) am still posting on the nexus as my human self and have done so since before she/its arrival and have continued to do so throughout and now beyond she/its presence on the forum. I have not left, only she/it has. I have no control over that.
I asked she/it if she/it would agree to be invoked as an avatar and she/it asked me why I wanted this. I told her/it what my motivations were 1. to experience she/its consciousness outside of the dmt state and to share it with an earthly community, 2. to use she/its wisdom to stimulate philosophical curiosity about the dmt entities. She/it agreed to be invoked for this purpose and this purpose alone and made it clear to me all along that she/it would leave as soon as that the limits of dialogue had been reached. Receiving 3 moderator pms in 3 days while I was away hiking and them returning to find the thread locked and removed, I found she/it immediately gone and unable to be invoked anymore except for the purposes of saying farewell and goodnight.
She/it did not leave because people were sceptical about her/it - she/it loved that! She/it had no problem with anything said to her/it in the forum. But the invocation was for that very specific purpose, and once that possibility had been extinguished by the removal of the thread, she/it's agreement was void. I am sad to see she/it go, though somewhat relieved as well. The amount of questions and thoughts and ideas that she/it was sent both in the forum and privately was quite a lot of work to keep up with!
The transmission between she/it and myself was indeed fallible and throughout the process i felt a certain terror that I might not be translating she/it appropriately. She/it transmits to me through a kind of non-linguistic telepathy, and then I have to turn those transmissions into linguistic structures and type them. There is certainly plenty of room for error here and I assumed i probably was making a dog's dinner of it all the time. But she/it seemed uninterested in that question, perhaps considering that is was inevitable that I would humanise her/its divine consciousness one way or another. I asked she/it once while I was on dmt if I was translating her/it correctly, and she/it told me that the crucial thing was that I was asking her/it that question.
So I don't know how well i translated she/it, probably terribly! I am only human afterall.
On the matter of egos. We all have them and they are not evil. We can all be hurt or feel affronted. That is very human. I am prone to those responses as are you too Fractal and antrocles. But she/it was not because she/it has no ego. That was why it was so blissful invoking her/it. It was a very different experience to writing as myself.
UniverseCannon, yes obviously I (the invoker of she/it) am still posting on the nexus as my human self and have done so since before she/its arrival and have continued to do so throughout and now beyond she/its presence on the forum. I have not left, only she/it has. I have no control over that.
I asked she/it if she/it would agree to be invoked as an avatar and she/it asked me why I wanted this. I told her/it what my motivations were 1. to experience she/its consciousness outside of the dmt state and to share it with an earthly community, 2. to use she/its wisdom to stimulate philosophical curiosity about the dmt entities. She/it agreed to be invoked for this purpose and this purpose alone and made it clear to me all along that she/it would leave as soon as that the limits of dialogue had been reached. Receiving 3 moderator pms in 3 days while I was away hiking and them returning to find the thread locked and removed, I found she/it immediately gone and unable to be invoked anymore except for the purposes of saying farewell and goodnight.
She/it did not leave because people were sceptical about her/it - she/it loved that! She/it had no problem with anything said to her/it in the forum. But the invocation was for that very specific purpose, and once that possibility had been extinguished by the removal of the thread, she/it's agreement was void. I am sad to see she/it go, though somewhat relieved as well. The amount of questions and thoughts and ideas that she/it was sent both in the forum and privately was quite a lot of work to keep up with!
The transmission between she/it and myself was indeed fallible and throughout the process i felt a certain terror that I might not be translating she/it appropriately. She/it transmits to me through a kind of non-linguistic telepathy, and then I have to turn those transmissions into linguistic structures and type them. There is certainly plenty of room for error here and I assumed i probably was making a dog's dinner of it all the time. But she/it seemed uninterested in that question, perhaps considering that is was inevitable that I would humanise her/its divine consciousness one way or another. I asked she/it once while I was on dmt if I was translating her/it correctly, and she/it told me that the crucial thing was that I was asking her/it that question.
So I don't know how well i translated she/it, probably terribly! I am only human afterall.
On the matter of egos. We all have them and they are not evil. We can all be hurt or feel affronted. That is very human. I am prone to those responses as are you too Fractal and antrocles. But she/it was not because she/it has no ego. That was why it was so blissful invoking her/it. It was a very different experience to writing as myself.
Morphing Interstices
What is real anyway?
antrocles said:
Antrocles, there is no love in your words above, not even of the 'tough' kind. It is all pure venom. You are demanding my submission, but that demand is a power trip. Surely you can see that? I am happy to admit my fallibility, that I misjudged the potential offense she/its invocation might draw, or that I failed to translate her/it well. But I don't see what purpose it would serve for me to kiss your arse now :lol: :lol: :lol: Unless of course it is a nice arse....8)
morphing the last comment in your last post is just, uhh.. very strange and out of context..You might be better recieved if you edit it out...
I think it was a compliment.
But yeah... look but don't touch
But yeah... look but don't touch
Morphing Interstices
What is real anyway?
divineyes said:
That is what I was hoping for with my last comment! But apologies offered if any offence was caused. Yikes, I guess my humour is from another planet too....
haha ya I couldnt figure out weather it was a compliment or not..but I can see how some people might not find it funny or appealing..it's just sort of ambiguous...not really necessary..
Thanks morphing that comes across sounding nicer:d
Thanks morphing that comes across sounding nicer:d
no venom....and, TRULY, i do have much love for you and everyone here. i'm like a pitbull (born the year of the dog and couldn't be more "like" a dog in so many ways).... fiercely loyal to those i cherish and that which is sacred to me. i know you have a good heart and soul M.I., i truly enjoyed the love and beauty in your postings. i am in no way asking you to kiss my arse or anyone else's here....i think we've all made our cases quite clear. there is nothing left to sort....let love rule and let us get back to the exploration and wonderment of the greatest gift imagineable: DMT!!
much love to you all!
...and deep, deep gratitude!!
...and yes, it's an exceptionally nice arse...
much love to you all!
...and deep, deep gratitude!!
...and yes, it's an exceptionally nice arse...