final question before smoking what I think is Spice

[caliwa]

so, here is briefly what I have done so far:

1/1/15 mimosa-lye solution let sit for 4 days

200 ml xlylene pull warming the solution and doing it for 3 days (with same solvent)to make sure some spice is getting solved.

separate of the solvent.

saturated some acetone with fumaric acid and added dropwise for 3 days following this technique:

added FASA.

let all night.

lots or precips, solvent clear ( not cloudy any more) in the morning.

added more FASA in the morning.

repeat for 3 days.

decanted the solvent.

let fasa precips dry all night.

diluted the precips in 20 ml of hot distilled water.

saturared some distilled water with carbonate sodium.

added dropwise till no more reaction observed.

let in the frigde for 5 days.

results: Crystals NEVER formed.

brute-force evaped the water letting all day in front of fan.

lots of flake-like residue left on the dish after evaping, being white and yellow mixed.

crasped the residue.

my only question here would be that, if at least, theorically, this would bee freebase DMT with obvious contamination of fumaric acid and carbonate sodium.

and if thism at least technically, would be a smokable spice...

thanks bros!

 

[ragabr]

How much bark did you start with?

What was the yield of DMT-Fumarate?

You should be able to clean it completely of any salts by dissolving the DMT in acetone and evaporating.

 

[caliwa]

I used 100 grams of bark.

I couldnt measure it because it was heavyly attached to the botton of the flask I used and I just dissolved it with water.

but thats an awesome tip, so I dissolve my Yield on acetone and let evaporate and i get my spice? should I use a fan for it?

 

[caliwa]

here is the News:

I performed the acetone wash over my residue, acetone didnt dissolved the residue, but got very cloudy and sepparated a lot of white powder out of the main matter that I think it may be spice.

acetone does not dissolve spice?

or

should I be expecting acetone to dissolve all the residue?


what concerns me the most is that since i got the fumarates, then I did the carbonate soduim reaction, and the fridge precips never happen, I just evaped all the water, and im worried what I got are only fumarates again. im afraid this is the case since acetone couldnt solve it, and acetone dont dissolve fumarates, but im unssure if acetone dissolves freebase. can some experienced nexian confirm my doubts?

 

[Xt]

So you've possibly roughly 1gram spice and some fumaric acid and sodium carbonate. Simply add Naphtha dropwise untill everything that will dossolve has, and the impurity's will not. Filter... evaporate till it clouds upon agitation (read blown upon). Put a lid on it and freeze it out.

Bobs your uncle.

Oh waity.. nvm. Ive never used acetone for anything involving spice. But im aware people have used it for changa, so yes it should dissolve freebase DMT. If you added Saturated sodium carbonate solution to Spice fumarate solution you should have changed the PH and freebased it all. Using PH papers is not difficult and is pretty basic (boom boom), doing so allows you to know where your PH is and takes away the mystery of not knowing where your at.

The freebasing technique of adding warm water to DMT fumarates drop wise until dissolved, filtering then adding drop wise a saturated sodium carbonate solution to precipitate the freebase (best to let sit in the fridge for 24/48hr) works well. Everything is done drop wise so that all solutions are concentrated and thus precipitates precipitate as dictate-d?

I see no reason for your solution to yield fumarate salts upon evaporation without adding fumaric acid to the mix which wouldn't happen anyway as its not particularly soluble and your evaporating to dryness.

PH is dictated by ions... add or take away H+ or OH- ions to change the PH. I do wonder if evaporating water affects this, Im to naive to say for sure.

It could be that you have not gone basic enough with the Sodium carbonate solution. Alas i have seen this technique fail for mysterious reasons during a Confusa fumarate freebasing.
I suspect something to do with solution concentrations.
The solution to the issue was to simply extract from the basic mixture with Naphtha. Remember chemical principles do not change. This is essentially an A/B but your starting with a solution of DMT fumarate, rather then acetate, making it basic using Na2C03 instead of NaOH, and pulling just the same.. albeit minus the plant matter.

Anyway seeing as you washed this residue from the evaporated freebasing, the white powder you have left is highly likely to be fumaric acid & sodium carbonate while the DMT freebase is likely to be in your acetone.
If you suspect some residual DMT fumarate in the waste from the wash... throw it into your next extraction.
Tho its likely to be a tiny or non existent amount.
I would evaporate it to find out for sure. Its unlikely that any DMT fumarate was picked up in the acetone as it is insoluble (see below)

I hope this helps.

5ml of methanol, ethanol, isopropanol or acetone were saturated with SWIM's dmt fumarate, then the solvent siphoned off and evaporated. The residue was weighted. The results are:

Acetone : practically 0mg/ml (there was a very thin layer of residue left, impossible to scrape

IPA : ~1mg/ml. The residue was still too little to be weighted properly

Ethanol : ~5mg/ml

methanol: ~10mg/ml

This is the OG freebasing technique.

1 - Mix DMT fumarate with 1 part calcium hydroxide (calcium carbonate should work as well).
2 - Add enough water to make it wet and mix. (Freebase the DMT again)
3 - Spread it out and let it dry completely.
4- Dissolve it in acetone and filter out the solids. (At this point only alkaloids like DMT should dissolve)
5- Evaporate the acetone to get nearly pure freebase DMT.

 

[ragabr]

Like Xt was kind enough to point out, the acetone will have the DMT in it. You can run it through a coffee filter to get rid of any solids that it picked up.

I thought the same way as Xt, that your jar of DMT-fumarate probably needed more sodium carbonate to freebase all of the DMT-fumarate. If you yield seems too low, add some more sodium carbonate to the solids you have and just enough water to moisten it all and agitate. Do the acetone separation, and you will have everything that was left behind.

I would use a fan to evaporate the acetone, if you're in a well ventilated space, otherwise it will stink it up.

 

[caliwa]

im am very grateful for your good help guys.

currelty i have the acetone I picked from the wash I performed over the residue, evaping. I dont think it will yield much, since what appear to be fumarates are still pretty much intact since the acetone didnt dissolved them at all. the fumarates are drying now from the acetone.

Xt/ragabr:

no problem if I mix my solids directly with sodium carbonate and after that moist them?

shouldnt I solve first the solids with water and also solve sodium im water and then mix then together or that is just not neccesary now?

 

[ragabr]

There are three ways to convert fumarates, that I'm aware of. If you look at this experiment that endlessness did, he compared the conversion you tried, and the method Xt suggested at the end of his post. They had approximately the same yield. If you have all the fumarates there, I would go for it, and you'll have time to use the acetone you're evaporating right now, to pull from it.

 

[caliwa]

since the fridge way didnt worked for me im going to try the acetone pulls on the solids I get. no problem If I put my carbonate sodium/dmt fumarates solution on sunlight for evaporation?