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TheScholar

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This have what my chinchilla done so far

he put 1 pound of MHRB (alot for a first extraction i know) into a 1 gallon pickle jar along with about 2 liters of distilled water with about 200 grams of Lye

shaked and let sit for 2 hours and 15 minutes

added slightly less than 400ml of Naphta and stirred for 20 minutes as i stirred i believe there where no emulsions present (this peaks my curiosity)

is the separation supposed to happen almost instantaneously or should some time elapse.. it has been about more than 20 minutes and there is about 1.5 cm of separation. I am thinking that there should be a higher (height wise the jar) seperation as it doesnt look even close to 400 ml of naphtha.

the naphtha is dark and is slightly difficult to tell the difference between it and the soup

1. should i be worried that there where no emulsions?

2. will time cause the naphtha layer to be more distinguishable

any advice or counseling (haha) is welcome, and i thank anyone that is here to help
 
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no emulsion is fine

It can sometimes take a little bit for the naphtha layer to separate. You can try making a caustic solution (NaOH + water) in another container and add it a little at a time. Most often, in my experience, if the naphtha won't separate it means your pH isn't quite high enough.
 
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i added more lye and water, and a small amount more of naphtha and this time it seems i pulled about 300 ml of naphtha out of the mixture, it is now in the freezer and precipitating...

any tips on how to get more of the naphtha to separate? a warm water bath seemed to help.
 
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I really dunno what kinda naphta you are using caue i´ve never heard of anybody using dark naphta. what kinda naphta r u using? Did you do an evap test on your naphta?
Imo if it doesn´t separate it´s cause you have A LOT of emulsion... Usually it separates very quickly, 1 hour max for it to be fully separated. Did you check the pH of the MHRB/water solution?
My advice would be correcting the ph for the next pull and get a clear naphta.
 
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my naphtha is clear when i pour it out of it original container (it is crown vm&p naphtha, which evaps cleanly).

i am wonder to what happened to the other half of my naphtha, is it still brewing in the soup or is it gone forever?

and it does separate immediately (although the separation is maybe a quarter to a half inch tall in a gallon pickle jar)
 
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Ok sorry, i hadn´t understood correctly :)
About the no emulsion thing - emulsions only form if the ph is not high enough - from 13 up it is fine - at this ph you can shake your jar as energetically as you can and i guarantee there will be no emulsion forming - wich is great cause emulsions really suck :p (you´ll see why when your first one gets around).
But then again if you did not heated the jar your naphta should not come so dark that it is difficult to distinguish from the solution...
From what i understood you have now in your jar under 100 mL of naphta. I would correct again the ph (ie "trow" some more lye into it) and proceed for the next pull.
Hope everything goes ok and i gotta say this - you got some balls man :p one pound for the first extraction is massive!!! :p
Keep us posted ok?
 
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i have at leat 350 grams of lye in the mix... no emulsions form

i have 2 jars in the freezer...

the first one has been in there for approximately 10 hours, and what seems to be about 1 gram of precipitate

the second one has been in there for an hour and has not precipitated yet (i am not worried about this, i am sure in the next 3-4 hours i will begin seeing precipitate) this is all from my first addition of naphtha


one i take out the first jar and filter out the precipitate i will add that naphtha to the mix, quickly stir, and see what happens

i guess you can say i have some balls :)

but thats how i do everything

snowboarding- i buy an expensive board

in the gym - i bought $150 of supplements around each month (stretch marks galore unfortunately)

etc, etc
 
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lololol ok ok :p
one final piece of advice - let your spice on the freezer undisturbed for 8 hrs+ , if you keep cheking on it it will be more difficult for it to precipitate ;)
 
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alrighty!

in 30 minutes i will be taking out the first jar and filtering out the naphtha allowing the spice to dry

i will be beginning my second pull

i will continue to update this thread (since i don't have work till friday and have nothing better to do) continuously unless my fellow nexus member's find my updates unnecessary

peace and love :)

UPDATE: poored out the naphtha and put all the white flaky stuff and yellow goop on a plate, gonna let some time go by so some more of the naphtha can evaporate... hopefully will end up with some smoke able crystalline/waxy DMT

Update #2: after smoking god knows what amount of dmt, i did not breakthrough, nor did i have any very psychedelic effects, any explanation?
 
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feel free to keep posting updates if you still feel like you are having problems.

As far as getting no effect from the spice, how are you smoking it? It seems most often when someone smokes spice and receives no effect they are using too much flame and burning it.
 
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i am using "the machine" (Tabasco bottle substitute)...

the nozzle of the machine is now mostly black (oil?)... i believe a lot of dmt is still in this "oil" in the pipe.... i will try tomorrow morning when i wake up to vaporize the oil and smoke it (good or no go?)

2 more interesting notes that i would like to add...

would alcohol affect the prominence of the trip?

my 2 friends have smoked my chinchilla's product and they seem to have way more prominent effects

friend A experience: I was in another world and they accepted me and i saw a lot of light

friend B experience: "tripping balls", feels awesome

my experience- felt nausea while moving around, quickly relieved by laying down... closed eye patterns form

closest i was to what i feel to be a breakthrough is that while smoking from the machine time slowed down and all noise became a lower pitch, probably should have kept smoking but my lungs are not used to smoke so for some reason i stopped..

im going to recrystallize my next pull, see if that helps with the smoke harshness

EDIT: im thinking that the spice maybe more oil/impurities than DMT? doesn't look like it as what he has now is pale yellow fluff (although the crystals are very small, and looks more like a powder), instead of nasty colored nastiness
 
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Black doesn't sound like such a great thing. What material have you used for mesh in the machine? What is the tabasco bottle made from? Do you have pictures? Did you hold the mesh over flame for a while to burn off any coatings?

Alcohol can greatly effect spice journeys and usually reported in a negative manner.
 
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I've heard nothing but bad things about mixing alcohol with spice.

Unfortunately I'm not too familiar with "the machine"...I have one just never used it. As ragabr said, black is not a good color. I'm not entirely sure where a black oily substance would come from.
 
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Tabasco bottle is made from glass, i used scotch brite stainless steel scrubber, and yes i did hold it under a flame.

Im thinking i burned it

for reference, my spice is a pale yellow powder that smells like new shoes

EDIT: upon further inspection of the machine, there are yellow crystals adhering to the neck of the bottle, must not have got it all... next time im going to use an improvised machine using a glass turkey baster, also im going to upgrade to a torch lighter.
 
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Hey TheScholar, SWIM is a "machine" user and that is all he uses.

It was really confusing, even to the point that he decided NOT to make one and to use a bulb instead. He did eventually make it and is very thankful he did.

So if it was read correctly, your tabasco bottle has a pre-burned scrubber in the bottom and I'm assuming a hole in the top to inhale from. (if not, make sure there are holes in both ends)

Now there is a lot of "machine" information around which recommends some odd/inefficient things. One of the biggest things is *heating of the neck*. This is a terrible idea which is asking for shattered glass, it will take way to much flame and the whole bottle will heat up. Bad things all round.

The metal is a magically bowl that will protect the spice completely. Now it isn't advised to let the bare flame sit on the ball but it will still vaporize the spice, albeit hot and nasty tasting.

So from start to finish.
Burn all the excess material off the scrubber (SWIM recommends copper over stainless, stainless will taste like stainless and DMT, copper will taste like DMT)

Sprinkle or place some DMT on the scrubber then melt it in the the scrubber. As long as you don't see smoke, there is no loss, SWIM just touches it very quickly with the flame.

Place the scrubber where-the-spice-was-melted side-down.

Get ready to inhale, holding the bottle with the lighter right below the scrubber.

Light the flame and hold it and inch or two BELOW the scrubber, don't burn the scrubber or else get some harsh-ass smoke and likely cough (but still get you effects just as well)

As soon as you see any smoke, TOKE!


From there the holding in of the tokes and number of tokes is something you'll have to feel out, make sure not to got TOO FAR with this method, it is VERY VERY possible.

If you have any questions then reply or PM, SWIM's loves his "machine" and knows how to use it.

DON'T HEAT THE NECK! if you have been then there is likely still A LOT of goodies in the stainless.

Cheers.
 
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Thanks for the advice q21q21, that cleared up some questions that I had about "charging" the machine. I've made a Tabasco-bottle machine, like TheScholar's (I'm using regular steel wool). I cut the glass nozzle off of the top of the bottle using my Dremel, as the original hole was TINY - I'd suggest the same to anyone else using the same type of bottle.

I was worried about how the cut glass would handle heat, so I did sort of a dry run. A crack did form, but the glass didn't break, so I'm not worried.

I'll report back once my spice is dry :)
 
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Extraction Update

i pulled more naphtha from the jar and put it in the freezer, gonna wait at least 24 hours before filtering naphtha from crystals (if any form)

I think this is a failed extraction, but i did learn quite a bit and will implement this for my next extraction..

1. i have little of what most people call common sense, seeing as a dumped a quite of bit of money and had no experience in anything i was doing

2. instead of going for 1 big extraction, this next pound of bark is going to be split up into thirds to make the extraction more manageable

3. Im going to try to find Bestine (Hexane or Heptane, forgot which one was for pulls instead of re-x)

4. wait for the basified water to cool down before adding to bark (can the immense heat produced by this reaction destroy the spice?)

Game plan for next time

150 grams of root bark
150 grams of lye
2 liters of water
150ml of Bestine per pull.
 
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Did you throw anything out yet? I just read over the whole thread, and it sounds like you're still about 100g of NaOH short, if you stopped adding at 300-something.

The heat from NaOH and H2O will not destroy DMT.

If you still have the previous mimosa mixture, is it *jet* black?
 
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