first extraction with mimosa

[Anenergyhealer]

in the next coming weeks I will be performing my first extraction with powdered mimosa, I am going to be using Normans tek, was just reading through it and was bit confused on one bit. I just want to be fully sure off the proccess before I start, and would you say normans tek is the easiest?

# Now add 1mL naptha per gram of bark in the mixing jar and turn the jar end over end. Do not shake or splash or there will be a tendency for the solution to form an emulsion. Simply roll the naptha around in the bark solution. Do this for one minute and then let the jar stand until the naptha has pretty much separated to the top.
Repeat agitation three more times.

(so i'd turn the jar end over end for a minute? than let the jar stand, than turn the jar end over end again for 1 minute,let to stand, than repeat this 2 more times, could comeone just confirm this with me? thanks)

# After the final agitation, separate the two layers. The naptha (top layer) goes in one of the collection jars, the rest stays in the mixing jar with the bark.

( I'd seperate the layers with a pippete ? or eye dropper? and id just suck out all the naptha on the top?)

# Put the collection jar in the freezer.

(freeze overnight?)

# Repeat steps 4 to 6 three more times. Leave the last NP extraction in the jar for a day or two, agitating occasionally to pick up any strays.

( this is the bit that gets confusing, do i use the the bark in the mixing jar and do it again? whilst im doing this do I have the NP etraction in the freezer still, and do I add what i have again from the newer extractinos to that jar in the freezer?)

# Go to bed. You should have a collection of snow globes waiting for you in the morning.

Thanks , I know once I get stuck in i should be fine, but just a few things would be nice to have confirmed. thanks!

 

[Global]

Alright, I'll try and answer your questions one by one. I've never tried Norman's tek, but I find Q21Q21's to be incredibly easy. Having said that, I still understand the whole process in Norman's tek.

In terms of turning the jar over, it's just a matter of letting the naptha soak up the DMT, so it requires a bit of agitation followed by letting it settle. The exact number of times you do this listed in the tek sounds somewhat arbitrary. Feel free to do it more times.

You can separate the layers with a pipette, or if you're careful, you could also just try and pour the naptha out into the collection jar. Dunno how "soupy" your mix will be, so it's hard to say how effective that would be. Bottom line is you wanna get all the naptha out, making sure that you don't get anything else coming out with it. Using a permanent coffee filter comes in handy real well here (in the case of Q21Q21's dry tek anyway. Dunno how helpful it would be if everything's a liquid).

You freeze it over night. If the naptha looks cloudy, leave it in the freezer. It means there's still more DMT to precipitate.

You use the same bark again. What I do is after all the DMT crystallizes, I pour off the lighter fluid back into the bark I was working on that I set off to the side. You let the crystals dry and then scrape them up. Once you scrape them up and the jar is clean, you can then go about your agitation steps again and proceed.

 

[Anenergyhealer]

thanks that is quite helpful, so lemme get this str8, i'll use a pippete to get the naptha out off the first mix and put that naptha in the freezer, str8 after that i'd go bk to my mixing jar with the root bark and repeat the process again, than add the naptha from that one to the one in the freezer? and do it again and so forth ?

 

[Anenergyhealer]

also another thing was, after I'll pulled out the DMT out off the freezer im slightly unsure off the re crystalization proccess, is this nessacary? what exactly does this achieve? is it to purify it or something?

 

[Global]

thanks that is quite helpful, so lemme get this str8, i'll use a pippete to get the naptha out off the first mix and put that naptha in the freezer, str8 after that i'd go bk to my mixing jar with the root bark and repeat the process again, than add the naptha from that one to the one in the freezer? and do it again and so forth ?

Once you get the naptha in the jar and in the freezer, then I recommend you put things on hold till the next day once all the crystallization has taken place in the freezer. Once all the DMT has crystallized, then you can pour the lighter fluid back in with the rest of the bark, but I would wait till your crystals are dried and scraped up before proceeding with repeating the process. Recrystallization is not necessary. It's a "purification" step that removes impurities (although often times it seems like some of the impure crystals are the strongest ones) and it also makes your crystals bigger, but it should be noted that just because they're bigger, doesn't mean you have more or they're heavier or something like that. I believe the crystalline structure kinda "spaces out" more.

 

[Anenergyhealer]

sorry if im sounded like a bit off a dummy, so after my first pull off DMT out off the mix, I'd put the naptha into the freezer, than I should be left with a jar with root bark in it and the liquid that I didnt pull from it (the bad stuff). So would i start i completely new extraction with the bark again? this is whats confusing me.

Once I've froze the first extraction overnight ill pull it out the freezer should leave me with DMT crystals I pressume?

I dont understand what I do with this? Is this the final result, I dont understant about the repeating proccess if once i've froze it i've got the DMT already?

this is why I say do I do the extraction again with the remaining bark , pull that DMT out and add the liquid to the one already in the freezer?

Or are you saying after my first extraction I take it out the freezer over night, take all the DMT out. Do another extraction and do the process again, freeze the 2nd one overnight? than so on?

 

[Global]

The thing is that after you've separated the naptha from the bark the first time, there is still more DMT that is left to be pulled out of that same bark that you used, so you set that aside for later. The naptha will have DMT in it and when you put naptha in the freezer, DMT will freeze, thus creating crystals on the bottom, but naptha will remain a fluid. So now what you'll have is a bunch of DMT stuck to the sides of your jar, but there's still all that naptha in the jar. So what you wanna do is pour the naptha back in with the rest of the bark, and set that aside. Now in the jar that had the naptha in it, should be your DMT crystals. Thing is that those crystals will melt back into solution if they're still covered in naptha, so they gotta dry. What I do to dry them is I put the jar with the DMT crystals back in the freezer, but turn it upside down so that way the naptha will run off of it. Leave it there for this to happen. Take it out and pour off the remnants of the naptha, and put the jar with the crystals in it in the fridge so they can "warm up". You want to do this so that you don't get that much water condensation which will pull naptha molecules back onto the DMT, possibly melting it. After it's been in the fridge for a little, you can take it out and let it air dry and finally scrape up your final product. Now you can return to that jar that now contains the naptha and root bark that you've already used so you can do another pull on that same bark to try and get the rest of the DMT out of it. You repeat this process until it's pretty much not yielding anything significant, and then you can start a new extraction with new rootbark. Hope this cleared things up. I know it can be confusing.

 

[Anenergyhealer]

BANG, the thing in my brain just clicked ! excellent, much respect global, Im looking forward to my first attempt very much, you've all been great help I will let you all know how it goes

 

[d*l*b]

Now in the jar that had the naptha in it, should be your DMT crystals. Thing is that those crystals will melt back into solution if they're still covered in naptha, so they gotta dry. What I do to dry them is I put the jar with the DMT crystals back in the freezer, but turn it upside down so that way the naptha will run off of it. Leave it there for this to happen. Take it out and pour off the remnants of the naptha, and put the jar with the crystals in it in the fridge so they can "warm up". You want to do this so that you don't get that much water condensation which will pull naptha molecules back onto the DMT, possibly melting it.

I don’t know if it is really necessary to put the crystals that you have got out of the freezer back in there again. I have never known any noticeable loss of crystals melting back into the naphtha at this point.

When I get my collection jar out of the freezer all I do is:

• Pour off naphtha, pipette off the last bit if there are too many loose crystals (you could pour through a filter instead to save loose crystals)
• Invert jar and place on a plate
• Holding jar down onto plate, hold at a slight angle every 15 minutes or so times to drain off a bit of residual solvent
• Let the jar get to room temperature
• Turn jar on its side
• Leave the rest of the naphtha to evaporate, either naturally or with a fan
• Harvest

 

[Global]

Yeah, it's true that they don't have to go back in the freezer. I just do it because I have had crystals melted on me too many times, so I take extra steps of precaution.

 

[d*l*b]

Is it very hot where you are? I have yet to see it happen here (UK).

Doing re-x I notice that very little dissolves at room temperature as well. Maybe it’s my choice of solvent source (Ronsonol/Swan/Zippo/Newport lighter fluid or Primus Powerfuel at the moment) or the fact that it tends not to get that hot here.

 

[Global]

I use ronsonol lighter fluid. I wouldn't say that it's really hot when it happens. I've just noticed extra water condensation if I don't put it back in the freezer. I only put it back for like 10-15 min, so it's not really a big deal anyway.

 

[Anenergyhealer]

cool for my naptha, you think zippo lighter fuel should be okay? thanks for the advice guys, I'll just have to give it a go, and see what happens, im alot more confident now tho in what i'll be doing

 

[Global]

Zippo lighter fluid should be fine, although I've never used it personally. When you go to make it, I suggest you get on the nexus chat so any quick questions can be completely resolved. I have faith in you though, and I think your extraction should go just fine

 

[Anenergyhealer]

Hey guys, I did my extraction this weekend, and done my first pull off DMT whioch i placed in the freezer for 1 day! the only thing thats hapened is the naptha have turned cloudy but no sign of crystals yet! any idea what this might be? maybe have to freeze at lower temp? maybe the mimosa was shitty?

 

[Digi123]

My guess would be that the freezer's not cold enough however I've not even done 1 extraction yet so that really is a guess! Is your freezer on the coldest setting and do you have a thermometer to check how cold it is? I read somewhere it should be around -15c, can't remember where I read that though. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable will come along and can help ya

 

[HermeticShaman]

Hey guys, I did my extraction this weekend, and done my first pull off DMT whioch i placed in the freezer for 1 day! the only thing thats hapened is the naptha have turned cloudy but no sign of crystals yet! any idea what this might be? maybe have to freeze at lower temp? maybe the mimosa was shitty?

No, no, don't worry. If you can set the freezer on a colder setting, it will definitely help. But if it's turning cloudy, that's good -- those are the molecules isolating and trying to attach to something. Give it more time. The freezer definitely makes a big difference. I've seen a pull crystallize to the max in under 4 hours before in a good freezer, no problems.

I work with a crappy freezer in a mini fridge and sometimes have to let my stuff freeze for 2 or 3 solid days before I get good crystals. Even then, I often have many floaters and have to be careful running off the solvent. But I still get good yields!

Good luck, man.

 

[crystalizer]

When your solvent becomes cloudy - thats the first step in crystal formation. After a cloudy period it becomes clear and crystals form.

I could observe this when constraining under cold airflow... this takes about 25minutes for lets say 30ml of hexane. It becomes really cloudy about 3 minutes of airflow, and within the next 10 minutes its no longer cloudy and first crystals form. After 10 more minutes all the solvent is gone and you are left with the crystals. [It is not advisable to do it under airflow, as n-oxid will form... just did it for reasearch sake... ]


It depends on how much solvent you have used and how much DMT is solved - the temperature is a factor which depends on this two values. When you have used very littel solvent, or evaporate some of it your crystals will even form at roomtemperature.

 

[Anenergyhealer]

BANG okay, my naptha solution is in the fereezer and crystals have formed, quite alot! now is it okay to keep it in the freezer for one more night until I get the coffee filters to drain off the naptha? or is bad leaving it in the freezer for too long??

 

[HermeticShaman]

It's definitely not going to hurt to have it in the freezer longer. Additionally, a small amount of the solvent will have been able to evaporate (if you don't have the container sealed off) even in the closed space. I recently let a late pull from some mimosa freeze for 4 or 5 days because I was having such difficulty getting it to stick. It basically completely evaporated while in the freezer, leaving behind a thin, white film which still rendered good, clean spice.