First psychedelic to do?

[loli]

I've never used any psychedelic in my life before ( ), and recently (for about a week) I've been spending nearly every our of my waking day learning about DMT, to the exclusion of anything else (Reading lots of wiki pages, and the erowid vault). But, I still have one question that's been itching at the back of my mind. Which to use first, small (Not enough to breakthrough) hit of DMT, or small hit of LSD? DMT is pretty appealing to me (on a safety related issue) because you aren't conscious (As far as I know) when tripping hard, as apposed to LSD, where you're conscious throughout the entire trip.

I have a sitter with me that is completely fine with me doing either, and I have a nice safe environment to do so in.

So, which do you think is easier for the mind of someone who has never tripped before in his life? Obviously, I'm still going to do more research from other places after I find them for 3 to 4 weeks, maybe even a few months before I actually do anything.

As for the wiki pages, I've read:
The DMT Page
Health and safety
Known substance-interactions and their effects
Ingestion Methods
Numerous "The machine" pages/variations
And some more I don't remember the name of.

Thank you for any help!

 

[Philosopher]

I find very small doses of mushrooms to be very gentle to the inexperienced. The problem with LSD for the new tripper is you must have a very reliable source, and you must know the dose in each tab. The good thing about dmt for the new tripper is that if you feel very anxious or decide within the first few minutes you hate tripping, its too confusing, its just scary, then you will be ok and come back down in a matter of minutes. But if you have find our you have a fear of tripping once you've taken LSD or Mushrooms you have to wait it out for hours and this might be uncomfortable.

I don't think most people are very scared of light tripping, but it is important to be cautious because it can be very terrifying if you don't know what to expect. If you feel more confident and want more of an experience I'd say mushrooms or LSD, small dose. But if you have no clue how you will feel and are too anxious then take a very small dose of DMT. IMO mushrooms are easier to handle than LSD, but I am probably biased. The most important is setting and setting.

 

[end of flesh]

I know this is a bit off topic but does anyone notice dilated pupils after smoking dmt? And if so what is the duration of the dilation? I've always had dilated pupils on shrooms and acid, but never noticed on dmt

 

[Orion]

Pupils go massive on DMT as with most psychs.

Also +1 for start with DMT, vaped. Dose low, go slow.

 

[end of flesh]

Does pupil dilation just last the fifteen mins of the voyage? Haha

 

[anrchy]

I would say it doesn't matter what one you take first but how you take it. Either way if you have a good first experience with a psychadelic that will help set you up for your future with psychadelics. I think a small dose of dmt mushrooms or LSD would be equally good to start with.

LSD was my first, although very low dose an possibly not even real LSD. Mushrooms were my first heavy experience. I think that would be more of a question to ask as the OP question IMO opinion doesn't matter as long as its a low dose.

What psychadelic to take for first heavy experience. I would say mushrooms.

OP as far as your question goes, take whatever is easier to acquire, take it in a small dose with a sitter. My opinion is that a longer medium strength psychadelic dose introduces you to hallucinogens better. DMT is so short acting that it doesn't really stick with you the same way a nice 4 hr mushroom dose would. Although I think DMT would be more of a guarantee that you will handle it with no hiccups at all... I guess.

 

[Orion]

Does pupil dilation just last the fifteen mins of the voyage? Haha

I find pupil dilation on DMT lasts just as long as you can feel it, quickly subsiding after the trip is over.

 

[farmaz]

well these days you have alot more chance to end up with some 25B-NXXXXXXX than real acid sadly.

As I said before about LSA, maybe look for Peyote or mushrooms.

 

[FungusMungus]

Or San Pedro/Peruvian Torch. Mescalito is gentle in low doses and in most cases higher doses from the majority of trip reports iv'e read. I only have experience with low and medium doses. Always has been positive for me, not the entire time because of my own conditioning of my mind, but it has been a gentle teacher nevertheless.

 

[pinkoyd]

Nice responses all around, very thoughtful with helpful suggestions for the novice. Well done people! :thumb_up:

In my experience first times tend to be less likely to go bad than later trips, especially with a light to medium dose. That said, I'd go for the medium dose. Light doses as mentioned above can lead to some uncomfortable spaces and give the wrong impression of what a trip is really like. The dreaded under-dose. If that happens all you need to do is take more, but I've rarely been able to talk myself into it mid-trip. Take enough the first time and it's usually smooth sailing.

I'm going to throw in a suggestion for mescaline because in whatever form (syrup, extract, peyote buttons) it seems much less likely than mushrooms or LSD to turn bad. I think there was even a study done on this and mescaline bad trips were almost non-existent, somewhere below 2% if I recall correctly. Mescaline has always been a gentle teacher for me even at very high doses, but I have indeed had bad trips on the others. Mushrooms can get dark and threatening in an evil clown kind of way while acid gets abrasively self-analytical. Just too much focus on the self and what's wrong with it, with no suggestion of how to put things right. Mescaline always shows you the way out.

And as always: Set and setting.

Edit to say: Oops, looks like FungusMungus slipped in his vote for mesc while I was typing this. Even used some of the same verbage. I wasn't plagiarizing, honest!

 

[FungusMungus]

haha nice. Mescalitoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

 

[farmaz]

well these days you have alot more chance to end up with some 25B-NXXXXXXX than real acid sadly.

As I said before about LSA, maybe look for Peyote or mushrooms.

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If my post above breaks ANY rules please PM me & I can remove it or feel free to edit/remove it ASAP.

I only said about that chem for health reasons, I DON'T want a new guy/woman thinking they should do Lysergic acid & end up with something totally different to what they throught they were getting, I posted it as a clear warning to a "newbie" as I see how much "acid" these days is not what it is sold as & god forbid they should do a 1st trip on "25B-NXXXXXXX"

 

[loli]

What I meant by not conscious was I read (I forget where, sorry) that after you "break through", you sleep, so to say. You still see the visuals, and are still aware of everything, but in a different universe, seemingly asleep in the real universe, if that makes sense. I don't know if it's true, but that's what I've heard. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[oldsoul]

Just wanted to throw my $0.02 into the fray here.

From someone who has tripped on acid, mescaline & shrooms cumulatively probably 200+ times before trying DMT, let me say nothing can really prepare you for it. It's like apples to oranges.

That said I think DMT first in small amounts would be best if you're up for it.

To explain why, consider an analogy. Think of the different substances as vehicles with different performance characteristics, like max speed, acceleration, handling, etc, and imagine you learned to drive in a lambo or an F1 McLaren. After that, in any other car, you'd be like, "I got this". You would have full mastery from learning in the most challenging vehicle possible.

Of course to not wreck the vehicle while learning you would need to exercise extreme caution and hold everything you do with the utmost gravity and respect. But it seems like you already have that attitude towards DMT already. So I say go for it.

As far as conscious or not, let us say your concept of consciousness may change a little after trying these things!

Good luck, be safe, and have fun exploring!!!

 

[kyuss]

plain salvia leaf

 

[farmaz]

plain salvia leaf

I really think that ain't a good idea, I had done several 100 trips on many different things before I did that stuff & my 1st trip was truly a serious thing as are all things to do with Sally D.

 

[Legit]

Ayahuasca worked for me.

But I wouldn't recommend aya for a first trip. I saw many places where the trip could have gone south, and if not for my natural resistance to negativity, I'm not sure if I could have pulled it off. (Trailing negative thoughts were had, but mostly ignored.)

That being said, that trip is my only trip to date, so I'm very inexperienced. The negativity issue seems like it could be a problem with any psychedelic.

Recently, for me, shrooms seem to be the best candidate for my next trip. They just seem right for me at this point, due to personal opinions on the differences between shrooms and aya.

I'll elaborate on this later. I'm using an on-screen keyboard to type, lol.

 

[Purges]

Which ever interests you the most. ALL are worthwhile, and enjoying one will probably lead on to exploring another.

 

[Jahmie]

LSD was my first it it was a wonderful introduction for me quite a high dose it turned out but so beautiful and I was at a festival with a nice vibe and some close friends so it was perfect.
Having since done Acid countless times my biggest piece of advice if you do choose it as your first is to be a aware of where your closest, peaceful and safe feeling, bit of nature is and go to it if you feel uncomfortable and can't shake it, or even have your whole trip there if possible. I feel Acid really amplifies our connection with the earth and when you're walled off in a concrete box you can really feel it sometimes, unfortunately though it tends to manifest as simply a feeling of unease or discomfort that isn't always recognisable. I think that's why many people do have bad trips their first time with it because they take it inside as though its any other drug, get this feeling and then start thinking "Oh shit! I'm having a bad trip! I'm having a bad trip!" and it spirals from there. If you strt thinking that you're more than likely creating the bad trip yourself with those thoughts, that's another good thing to remember. Find some trees and grass n just chill out with your friend and maybe a spliff and everything'll be fine if you're really worried about it though perhaps try n have a valium on hand as they can really douse down a trip and generally take away any anxiety and even get you to sleep, a very good tripper's Panic button if you like
I have seen several people smoke good size doses of DMT as their first trip and have an amazing time, but in my personal opinion the certain quality of an acid trip makes it great to introduce you to what tripping is. DMT is incredible but can be hard to process and understand. Mescaline is an interesting suggestion I've only had a couple of experiences with it but it's potential for self growth is something truly amazing, I owe Mescalito alot Definatley one to consider. I can see how LSA might be good to ease you in but the nausea might be quite off putting, aparently there are ways around that though. Personally I think jump in with a stronger one

For God's sake don't take Salvia first time! I don't mean to disregard the opinions of a couple of people who have recommended it here, I apreciate the value of Salvia massively but for a first timer I think the potential for it to be really quite horrible is too great. I in fact suspect the reason that it is legal and so readily available might be because it has such potential for scaring people off the idea of getting into Psychedelics.
I hope this is helpful and I wish you a wonderful journey of discovery which ever you choose

 

[universecannon]

I consider my first psychedelic cannabis but i'm unusually sensitive to tripping hard from it. After that it went salvia, mushrooms, lsd, dmt, ayahuasca...


i think a couple grams of mushrooms in a safe nature setting during the day is one of the best possible introductions to psychedelics from what i've seen. Theres nothing quite like laying down and looking up at the trees, clouds, sky, and sun and just feeling that deep tangible oneness with the cosmos.

Really though there is countless ways to bring about a positive introduction. Whether it be with dmt, lsd, mushrooms, indoors, outdoors, alone, with trusted companions, etc, etc. Just mentally prepare, know what your taking and at what amounts, take careful consideration of the environment, and your good to go.

 

[null24]

I think it depends on what yer after. I dont have experience with mescaline, but lots with LSD, mushrooms, and recently DMT has been added to the fold, and its my favorite, but if it hadnt been for the experience with other psycs, I dont think I could have handle it-even then my first enconter was scary. DMT is an experience that no matter how ecstatic is something to be endured and approached with a certain apprehension.

For me LSD is really analytical, as another poster said, and "bad trips" on acid are of a psychological nature, whereas shrooms can get really strange and disorienting if it goes wierd. Thats a vague statement, I know,...

On LSD, reality finally reaches a point where everything is perfectly in plsace, sort of crystalline, if that makes sense. Acid can be a lot of fun at a festival of whatever because things "just flow' real wel, dancing and music are fun, plus its energetic, as opposed to the floppy feeling I et from shrooms.

Thoughts are perfectly expressed with words. Things take on a deeper meaning, life's circumstances, and one may analyze them in new ways and gain some novel insight. It can be easier to gain a closer intimacy with a loved one on LSD.

Mushrooms tend to be more mystical, magical, and spiritual. Synchronus events ALWAYS occur on mushrooms that would not normally happen with me.

Opposed to te 'crstalinenature' of LSD, mushies are all organic- molecules combine and cells split behind eyelids. spiritual ideas come easily and manifest in religous visions for someone inclined.

Shrooms were my first, and my pitch for them is that its easier to modulate your dose, take a gram, thats a good start, and if not enough another half gram or gram 30 minutes later, or whatever you think would work after gettin a feel for a gram-that may be perfect.

The mushroom spirit would gently initiate you in the ways of the unseen world, that's my vote!:thumb_up:

But the choice is yours for that first step, Padawan, just take it with great care and respect, and you should be rewarded greatly:lol: