First time mescaline trip: k-valle Bridgesii

[modern]

Very interesting. Can you say more about that? Does that result in a fully psychedelic experience at that level of mescaline?

strangely there seems to be two different experiences depending on what 'purity' mescaline I use.

If I use the 'impure mescaline' washes from the isopropanol pulls of the crystal there is a more mental experience with minimal to no visual aspect to the trip. This is the crystals that disolve as I wash the mescaline and evaporate the pulls.

If using the 'pure/cleaned' insoluble mescaline that remains during the isopropanol cleans; the experience is very visual and and much stronger body high similar to mdma.

These experiences are from 200mg harmalas caapi tea (full tea) and 100mg mescaline hcl (clean/dirty). I've come to realize that likely just different hcl hydrates. My experience may vary a bit since I have stronger experiences but shorter duration so you may need a slightly higher hcl content but easily doubles if not little more the mescaline experience. The differences have been repeated by me so IDK if placebo or not. I likely have high CYP2D6 activity leading to stronger experiences qith lower doses but shorter duration.

 

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200mg harmalas caapi tea (full tea)

Does this mean 200mg of resin from caapi tea? Or 200mg harmalas extracted from caapi?

I probably will eventually try this with harmalas extracted from rue. In that case, I'll do it trying first with much lower doses, but it's still good to have a reference point of what worked for you.

 

[modern]

Does this mean 200mg of resin from caapi tea? Or 200mg harmalas extracted from caapi?

I probably will eventually try this with harmalas extracted from rue. In that case, I'll do it trying first with much lower doses, but it's still good to have a reference point of what worked for you.

The 200mg is the estimated amount of harmalas in the 20mL caapi tea the amount I consume. I make a 1.5L caapi tea from 1kg vine then I do an extraction using 60ml to know how much I need to consume for MAOI. I consume often and over this amount I tend to start getting effects from the caapi alone.

Using rue I'd suggest you extract unless you can handle the tea. 200mg is a normal amount for oral harmalas... if you do sublingal I think it is 30-50mg for the same activity.

 

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The 200mg is the estimated amount of harmalas in the 20mL caapi tea the amount I consume. I make a 1.5L caapi tea from 1kg vine then I do an extraction using 60ml to know how much I need to consume for MAOI. I consume often and over this amount I tend to start getting effects from the caapi alone.

Using rue I'd suggest you extract unless you can handle the tea. 200mg is a normal amount for oral harmalas... if you do sublingal I think it is 30-50mg for the same activity.

Thanks for clarifying, I understand now.

Yes, I often have 230mg harmalas from rue for pharmahuasca, that's a good level for me. I prefer that for experiments like this as caapi is more expensive and has much more of its own character.

When I try this, I'll probably start much lower than 230, as I'm wary of taking mescaline while fully MAO inhibited. I know many people have done it and it seems to be safe, but I want to see how I react first.

Thanks for the info, seems very promising for me.

 

[modern]

Thanks for clarifying, I understand now.

Yes, I often have 230mg harmalas from rue for pharmahuasca, that's a good level for me. I prefer that for experiments like this as caapi is more expensive and has much more of its own character.

When I try this, I'll probably start much lower than 230, as I'm wary of taking mescaline while fully MAO inhibited. I know many people have done it and it seems to be safe, but I want to see how I react first.

Thanks for the info, seems very promising for me.

I use caapi as it is very cheap for me where rue is harder to get and pricier. Use what you have access too.

Don’t take your full mescaline or tea dose as I think that would be insane. Like someone had an old report to using maoi using a full bridgesii tea dose. Mescaline alone at high doses is already quite intense can’t imagine with maoi.

 

[taita]

regular consumption of wormwood tea

Off topic, but have you ever had the experience of wormwood losing all bitterness and simply tasting sweet and floral? I had a stint of regular wormwood tea ingestion some years back and after a couple weeks just tasted like flowers. It was the oddest thing

 

[Transform]

Off topic, but have you ever had the experience of wormwood losing all bitterness and simply tasting sweet and floral? I had a stint of regular wormwood tea ingestion some years back and after a couple weeks just tasted like flowers. It was the oddest thing

Not to that extent. I always use it as part of a blend, though. Sometimes it just seems tangy rather than bitter, I guess.

 

[taita]

Not to that extent. I always use it as part of a blend, though. Sometimes it just seems tangy rather than bitter, I guess.

Ah, yeah I was using it straight up. It was a really strange experience. I've heard it said of peyote consumption as well, that when people fast and just eat peyote for a few days it stops tasting bitter and just tastes sweet. If that's true, I wonder what's going on there

 

[Transform]

Ah, yeah I was using it straight up. It was a really strange experience. I've heard it said of peyote consumption as well, that when people fast and just eat peyote for a few days it stops tasting bitter and just tastes sweet. If that's true, I wonder what's going on there

I'd find it plausible to suggest that the bitter taste receptors might get fatigued, blocked or downregulated, allowing other notes to come to the fore, or that there might be an effect somewhat similar to that of miraculin that only manifest with cumulative dosing. Just guessing, maybe it's something else since bitter receptors play quite a powerful physiological role, it seems.


You've got me tempted to try this one out in a committed way - I'm sure my sinuses would be glad of it.

In a similar vein, one of my recent cactus admixtures was cramp bark, from the stems of Viburnum opulus, the guelder rose. The combined flavour was somewhat better than either plant individually. Guelder rose brew has a taste reminiscent of sweaty dog, albeit not as bad as with ground Syrian rue.

 

[taita]

I'd find it plausible to suggest that the bitter taste receptors might get fatigued, blocked or downregulated, allowing other notes to come to the fore, or that there might be an effect somewhat similar to that of miraculin that only manifest with cumulative dosing. Just guessing, maybe it's something else since bitter receptors play quite a powerful physiological role, it seems.


You've got me tempted to try this one out in a committed way - I'm sure my sinuses would be glad of it.

In a similar vein, one of my recent cactus admixtures was cramp bark, from the stems of Viburnum opulus, the guelder rose. The combined flavour was somewhat better than either plant individually. Guelder rose brew has a taste reminiscent of sweaty dog, albeit not as bad as with ground Syrian rue.

I've never tried sweaty dog, but I can imagine
What does the viburnum add to the brew?

If you want an N of 2 on the experiment, I'm probably due for another round of wormwood. That last one was like 20 years ago and I've got a pound of it in my herb chest looking at me funny

Sorry. I swear I'm not trying to detail the thread

 

[Transform]

What does the viburnum add to the brew?

I added it specifically to treat muscular back pain, as well as out of the coincidence that there was a huge shrub of it in the garden where I was. It's called "cramp bark" for a reason, even if a more common use is with menstrual cramps. In light of this small test I'd also suggest that those of us who suffer from post-cactus spinal cramping might want to consider getting to know this plant.

The other coincidence was that our hosts had chosen to put the snowball-like flower heads as table decorations alongside lilac blossom, which alerted me to the shrub's presence once I'd realised it wasn't in fact white lilac.

 

[Animistic]

I concur with harmalas potentiating mescaline, only once I did ~200mg rue harmalas with decently strong tea. It was the strongest mescaline experience I've had by far, super visual but also one of the more difficult mescaline experiences, found it very sedating and quite distinct from almost any other experience. It wasn't out of control but just very heavy compared to mescalitos normally big but gentle force. I've had mentally weird trips before with it but this was different territory, almost more Ayahuasca like which I've not experienced with cacti.

My other friends who I shared the tea with were very happy with their experiences but were back to baseline at around 8-12hrs. For me it was 18hrs+, but I was also fasted compared to them who ate a very big breakfast. Afterglow lasted longer too. I'd definitely do less mescaline next time with the combo but since it were tea I don't really know how much it was, other than being a batch I was reasonably familiar with.

 

[doubledog]

Imo harmalas change the experience with mescaline quite significantly, but I do not particularly like the way they do it. I would not say they potentiate mescaline, more like add another layer to it.

 

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Imo harmalas change the experience with mescaline quite significantly, but I do not particularly like the way they do it. I would not say they potentiate mescaline, more like add another layer to it.

What doses have your experiences been with?

 

[doubledog]

I used 30 - 40 mg of harmalas sublingually, combined with 200-250mg of mescaline.