First time smoking DMT coming up, concerns and preparation

[andrrew]

Hello all!

I am planning for my first experience, in this thread I will detail my preparations so far, and I'm hoping you all can possibly give me advice or educate me more than my research has so far.

Preface:

My only experience with psychedelics has been 3 LSD trips, one 65ug (very mild, wasn't really a trip), 65ug + about 50mg cannabis edibles, and a 150ug + 100mg edibles at peak (this experience was much more intense obviously), all of these were very positive and enjoyable experiences. The last one was truly life changing. All of these happened in the past 2 months, so recently.

I've spent the past month researching and watching youtube videos on dmt extensively, but I realize nothing will really prepare me for this experience.

Setting:

I plan on doing this outdoors, by myself (all of my LSD experiences were solo, I feel more comfortable this way). In the middle of the woods behind my house.

Method:

I'd like to hear some thoughts on this method, it is the most ideal for me it seems.

If anyone has used this method, I'd love to hear about it (I personally can't find many people who have through google searches and the comment section is closed).

Oh and I'm hoping to breakthrough during this first time! But I know that is hard to do.

Concerns:

On LSD, I had a close call with a bad trip I believe. I always feel my chest/heart sortve hurting during these lsd trips and one particularly intense moment I couldn't stop focusing on it, and I had a terrible feeling of dread. I calmed myself down and told myself to let whatever happens happen and to just let it all go. The trip immediately went positive. Do you think I'll encounter this problem on DMT too? I don't believe it'll be a problem and I'm not too worried but yeah. I just hope I handle this well.

Another concern of mine is measuring. I have ordered a cheap scale, but I'd really like to have my first experience in the next couple of days, as I have an amazing window of opportunity to do so. By the time it comes, I'll probably have to wait a while. I know patience is the better choice, but I have 1 gram here now and its so tempting. I heard a couple keybumps works nicely. But if anyone has any size comparisons for a pile I'd appreciate that just in case.

Also my batch is yellow and has a few clumps (the rest is fine sandish type material). This color is because they left a few alkaloids in it, or at least they claim to have. My concern is that a lot of people say yellow dmt has an intense body load, not sure if that is true or if its bad though.

Lastly, I am sort of afraid I will encounter hostile or terrifying entities, I know you can't think of it this way but I need tips on overcoming this fear. I want love in my mind as I go into it.


Any other tips or pointers appreciated! I know it's a lot to read, I have so much respect for this substance and want to really do it the right way because of that.

Thanks everyone and apologies if I have missed any rules that may be broken in this post, I did read and try to avoid that though.

 

[TGO]

Hello and welcome to the Nexus!

It sounds like you are on the right track so far but a couple of things need to be addressed.

First, please don't use the aluminum foil and bottle method. It is not only inefficient, but potentially unsafe as well. I don't know about you, but when I'm about to be blasted to the ends of anything and everything imaginable, I don't want to be worrying about inhaling burnt remnants of foil and plastic. For more information about different smoking/vaping devices see here:

What Is the Best Smoking Method?

DMT Vaping Guide

Second, eye balling doses is a great way to accidentally traumatize yourself, especially for someone new to the substance. The Nexus is geared towards harm reduction and advocates that people start low and build their way up. There are no standards for "eyeballing" doses. I would recommend waiting for your scale to arrive if you can help it.

Differentiating between yellow/white/red/orange/acacia/mimosa DMT by the experience itself, is something I consider next to impossible. There are a couple of people on this site who claim otherwise, but until some rigorous, double blind studies/tests are performed, that is all that they are... unverified claims. That being said, I wouldn't worry too much about colors of DMT unless it is blue or green. Those colors indicates that the solvent used was unfit for DMT extraction and should be thrown away. Read more about DMT colors and what they mean here:

IMPORTANT: spice color purity fallacy AKA is your dmt ok to smoke ?

In relation to preparation, I think your outdoor setting will be perfect as long you don't run into anyone you weren't expecting to run into. DMT is quite powerful and can be startling. If you encounter things that are uncomfortable or even terrifying, try finding your voice. By this, I mean, make vocal sounds if you are aware enough to do so. Sing or make funny noises! Often times, this will clear the negativity and flip the trip around. This is just something I picked up in my personal adventures and seems to work well. Advice on acceptance and letting go are something you'll see all over the Nexus. It is much easier said than done, of course. Just remember that you'll be back before you know it saying something along the lines of, "Whoa, what happened just now...I... where... wait, huh?"

:d

I like to get comfortable and relax while focusing on my breathing for 5-10 minutes before blast off. Nothing fancy, just focused breathing until I feel calm enough to jump in. Sometimes I chicken out and put the bong with my changa in it away for another day. No harm in doing that if the time doesn't feel right.

With vaped DMT, you have to get your dose in quickly because tolerance builds rapidly. The general consensus is less than a minute once you start inhaling. Some people like to take the dose in one hit, which requires different levels of skill and practice depending on your ROA, while others prefer to take multiple hits. Obviously, this is something you'll work out on your own once you get the hang of it. You'll also want to hold those hit(s) in for at least 10 seconds. When it comes on strong, you'll likely not even remember exhaling.

All in all, it is a strange and exhilarating molecule. No one knows what you'll encounter there. The mystery makes it that much more appealing, IMO! Anyway, I think I've rambled on for long enough. Hopefully, with the right tools and determination, you'll be in for some wild times! Good luck with your quest!

PEACE

 

[andrrew]

Hello and welcome to the Nexus!
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Thank you so much for all the advice! I'm definitely looking into everything you posted!

I left out one major concern of mine, when I use to smoke weed daily, my lungs were actually really weak. I cough after most hits or need to clear my throat, so usually I drink water after a few hits. This isn't possible with DMT I think, but do you think that could ruin the trip? Or will I be so out of it I won't even notice?

 

[TGO]

If it makes you feel any better, I smoke weed on a daily basis and still cough after every hit practically. DMT vapor, when vaporized correctly, is quite smooth. Depending on the device and methods used, it may even feel like you're only inhaling warm air.

However, there is a bit of a learning curve when it comes to vape technique which means that accidentally burning the DMT is something most all of us go through in the beginning. Burnt DMT is unpleasant and harsh.

I would definitely bring a bottle of water with you. DMT comes on quite fast though, so I do think you might struggle trying to take a drink after a hefty inhale of DMT vapor. It would probably be best to try and focus on technique and to minimize distractions and/or unnecessary stress. If it is DMT by itself, you'll be back to "normal-ish" in roughly 15 minutes or less depending on dose and how your body reacts to the molecule.

 

[vert green]

My experience is not with DMT, as such, but through the vegetal, the mysterious tea called Hoasca. I do have experience with other psychedelics and entheogens. I have ingested the vegetal tea over 30 times, under the rubric of being a member of the UDV church.
There's plenty of folks who will give you suggestions on the technical aspects. I'll offer that generally this is not my area of expertise. I offer some suggestions for dealing with the spiritual side of things.

It is my experience that the particular substance matters less, than the manner in which one prepares for it. I'm not talking about the technical manner in which the spice is prepared, or it's relative quality. I'm talking about the preparation of a particular person, before undergoing a journey.
I don't use the word trip. I personally am looking to go to KNOWLEDGE when ingesting an entheogen, or psychoactive substance. So to me, this is the first step, of conditioning mind and consciousness that one is taking a voyage to knowledge, rather than taking a trip on a drug.
It is my experience that one's voyage to knowledge starts before ingesting the actual substance itself. Clearly, you have done some prep work on the means, and methods of delivery. I can trust that in time, the seeker will find that which s/he seeks.
When one seeks, the answers will ALWAYS present themselves--this is not the difficulty. The trick is: once you get the answer, what do you do with the answer?

Before a journey to knowledge, one needs to prepare himself. I suggest a moderate form of fasting 24-36 hours prior to the blast-off time. Part of the reason for fasting is nutritional, yet more importantly is the application of consciousness to your quest, or making communication with the fource, and the power behind the experience, well in advance of the actual blast-off. In a sense, it's like putting in a reservation with the positive entities which can help one in his quest, simply for the asking.
There is no such thing as TOO MUCH preparation when it comes to an entheogenic substance.
The idea, ideal, or fasting here in this application is not only for proper physical health, and keeping a good mindset. Yet, in the coursed of the human's life and his normal dealings with life, the human tends to hold on to baggage, even if it's in the form of intestinal dreck. Rotting, decaying meat or other food in the gut actually holds back a person in his voyage..at least relative to the vegetal tea.
Proper mindset, proper body health, proper spiritual estate are all super-important first steps which should be observed by one going to Knowledge.
"Spiritual estate" is that non-material ground upon which a person stands to establish his field of experience in the astral realm. The body feeling of FEAR is a self-defeating estate which many folks get drawn into after dealing with non-material entities. One's spiritual estate may be to keep higher vibrations present throughout the voyage, and it seems that this one is able to deal fluidly, and successfully with some pretty heavy emotions. This "spiritual estate" is the emotional and spiritual setting which someone starts to occupy, once the ego starts to dissolve.
An important aspect of maintaining a solid, positive spiritual estate is to address those issues which are likely to come up for review at a session. There is NOTHING that one can hide or shortcut from the vegetal, or the DMT flash. Wed can kid ourselves, but not the tea, nor the "self transforming machine elves". To me, the biggest, most important aspect of getting ready to do the spiritual estate clearing of looking objectively at those things which need fixing, and addressing under the field of the vegetal, and the Fource.
Before each and every session, it's important to set for clearly stated intentions on what questions, or issues for which one is looking for assistence. Having an issue, a life concern in need of redress during a voyage, is one of the more important elements in "going to knowledge," rather than taking a fun recreational trip on an otherwise unpredictable vessel.
During the voyage, she can be spoken-with, and addressed as an intelligent, conscious entity. We have the phrase: the competence of the vegetal. She can and will make up her mind on alot of things, and it will behoove us to ask questions of this force, rather than thinking we got it all, and it's all us and nothing else.
During a voyage, it becomes very clear that the paultry human intelligence and reasonings are pale, and threadbare, by comparison to what the Great Spirit has to offer.

So, these are some regulations I go through on my quest for knowledge. Hopefully some of these suggestions will be found valuable to you as well.

 

[TeaDaze]

Hi there

I thought I'd reply since the bottle/foil method was the first I used with DMT. If I could advise my past self on smoking technique I would say skip the bottle and follow the GVG guides here, or something else at least. I know that some people have had one or two DMT experiences and that was enough for them, but I think for many others it turns into a long term exploration and you probably are not going to want to smoke DMT for long from a chopped-up soda bottle with melting aluminum that burns and wastes your DMT. After I realized just how special this stuff was it didn't make sense to continue smoking it from something so crude when better options were out there.

The main issue I had was reliable and consistent dosing. When freebase DMT melts it moves away from the heat source. On foil it runs all over the place- even if you make a divot in the foil- making it difficult to completely vaporize. You can't see well where it is moving because it's in the bottle, the bottom is covered with foil, the bottle is filled with vapor/smoke, and if you are on your second or third toke attempt the world may be becoming confusing or difficult to see clearly as well.

Since the melted DMT runs all over you may accidentally vaporize more than you intended in a future session because some (or a lot!) was left over from a previous attempt. You can work around this by changing the foil each time or burning up/toking any left over DMT before adding more, but this is wasteful. Smoking more than usual has been the largest contributor to my negative experiences so I feel that reliable and reproduceable technique is important (I.E. not the bottle).

With all that said, I did have several amazing experiences with the bottle. It does work, just not as well as other methods discussed here. I actually sort of miss the bottle just because some vapor always escapes and I love the smell of the stuff

Regarding chest discomfort: I suspect it won't be an issue but who knows. These things affect everyone differently. LSD and DMT are not that similar in their effects, imo. If you do feel discomfort try to remind yourself that it is a very short experience.

Good luck