First time with DMT, no effects? Any help appreciated!

[Coblsobr]

Hello nexus! I've spent a few years acquiring much interesting and helpful information from this website, and felt it was finally time to join. I've run into quite the dilemma, and I'm looking for any and all help! And now, onto my story..

Through a close friend of mine, I came into contact with several tabs of pure MDMA tablets (which I tested and confirmed), and around .5g of pure dmt as a gift during his visit. The crystals were white and about the size of sea salt granules. On a Friday night, not long ago, I took half a tab of MDMA, and had a wonderful experiance (with no crash whatsoever, I might add). I do take vyvanse, 80mg daily for diagnosed ADHD. I also take diphenhydramine 50mg every night for sleep. (I used to take clonodine, but got off of that). As I said the MDMA experiance was wonderful. I took 5-htp the next day just to play it safe.

Now, the day after that particular Friday, was the day deemed by my friend and I to be our attempt at entering hyperspace. We went into woods, found a nice place by a stream, and loaded up his "dmt pipe" which was an extra long oil burner, with a second bubble put in the middle. Using a regular bic lighter, I went first. I slowly heated until an orangish mass began to vaporize. I inhaled slowly, continually heating. I got a few light hits, then two clouds, and a few more light hits, before stopping. Absolutely no effects. The vapor was harsh and tasted of chemicals and plastic. We tried again after 5 minutes, and again, nothing.

We left the woods, perplexed. After buying a butane torch lighter and waiting an hour, we went out with an additional friend, who drove. Arriving at a secluded spot, I got out the pipe, stilled loaded with the orange mass, and loaded even more fresh crystals on top. Very carefully and lightly heating from a distance with the pointy blue flame, I took two full vaporized hits, and held for 30 seconds and 30 seconds respectively. Absolutely no effects. I vaper a little more, but to no avail...

WHAT'S GOING ON??

I've got no reason to believe I wouldn't respond to dmt, and no known medication reactions. I've read that 5-10% of people experience no effects from dmt, how true is this?? Is this permanent as is this forever? I've yet to see any information to explain and/or consol me. I am very confused.

Once again, thanks for any and all help. I'll gladly share any important details I may have missed..

 

[Bill Cipher]

I would say extract your own, and then you will know what you have. If you don't, you won't.

 

[klak1212]

It has nothing to do with your body chemistry. We are all human beings.

After I read that you used an oil burner, added to the fact that it is your first time trying DMT, you are using a very bad way to smoke it.

I strongly suggest making 'The Machine', buying a Vapor Genie, or consider making Changa.

I have tried to use an oil burner, and could not get it to put out vapor. I would always burn the dmt no matter how I heated it, smoke would appear and I could not inhale even the tiniest bit without coughing my lungs out. (Remember, vapor is almost invisible, white, dense smoke should be avoided).

Oil burners take practice, and 9 times out of 10 it won't work nearly as well as another of the methods I listed above.

You will get the method down, it just takes time. Good luck.

I would say extract your own, and then you will know what you have. If you don't, you won't.

This too :lol: Extracting is 1/2 of the adventure!

 

[Coblsobr]

I would just like to add, with no intent of violate any community ties or guidelines, that the DMT Came directly from a source I know and trust, who uses proffesional lab and chemicals to do thier extractions.

 

[Bill Cipher]

That's not actually what you said prior to being asked to edit your post, but okay. I really don't buy the 5-10% of people being immune to effects statistic.

If it isn't working for you, it's likely a matter of ineffective technique, a nullifying interaction with something else you're taking, or your smoking something other than what you believe you are.

Try dissolving what you have in acetone and infusing an inert leaf (see the WIKI). That will take most of the guess work out of the 1st possibility at least.

 

[JigSaw25]

I actually have witnessed a friend being almost immune to Dmt, seen him have 300mg of crystal with absolutely no affect, with the same batch heavily affecting everyone else. He tried many times with no luck whatsoever, it wasn't until he smoked 3 HUGE cones of some changa in a row (cones where easily half g of changa each) that he made it to the other side. Now I'm not suggesting you go ahead and take that much, because if for some instance you didn't smoke enough and you try that it could be disastrous, however keep at it, using NORMAL doses with different methods.. Like sugged the machine or gvg, or sandwiched between herb in a bong (I love this with weed) if still nothing after multiple attempts... Try different sources if still nothing it may be worth slowly slowly upping the dosage, although I doubt it will get to that, just be careful and don't rush prior to upping dosage, because you don't wanna try a new source with high dose and then it works.

I'd just like to stress once again if you do up the dosage... Slowly.
It's not something you should really do, it's not something I'd suggest to most people.
But I have witnessed first hand the people 'immune' and it was their only option.

I highly doubt you are in that group of people, was most likely your smoking method.

Be careful in your endeavours and good luck

 

[MooshyPeaches]

I have a friend that I have witnessed smoke 100mg freebase dmt through a vaper genie with an arc lighter, completely proper smoking technique and deeply held for at least 25 seconds. The effects were 'light headyness'. From the same batch I broke through on 35mg, I do remember terenc mckenna mentioning that 5% of all people that he has taken dmt with just were not able to experience it. This has also been recorded in rick strassman's studies of dmt in his book.

All I i can say is try a MAOI-changa or injest dmt as ayahuasca. You may just be the rare few immune and its not the molecule for you! :shock: :thumb_dow

 

[uftusaf123]

I to, have not been able to feel any effects from vaporized dmt. Its probably my method of administration, because changa works like a charm...

 

[Sky Motion]

That's not actually what you said prior to being asked to edit your post, but okay. I really don't buy the 5-10% of people being immune to effects statistic.

If it isn't working for you, it's likely a matter of ineffective technique, a nullifying interaction with something else you're taking, or your smoking something other than what you believe you are.

Try dissolving what you have in acetone and infusing an inert leaf (see the WIKI). That will take most of the guess work out of the 1st possibility at least.

Some people are immune, this is fact. Yeah it's likely ineffective technique, but some people just can't experience some substances. I've seen my friend eat 7 grams of dry shrooms and just get a bit weird in the head for an hour but not trip at all like anyone else that would consume 7g..

 

[HippiePilgrim]

You said that you and your friend were going to try it? So the obvious question is, did your friend experience any effect?

 

[Coblsobr]

Interestingly enough, my friend did not try it that day, so I decided not to pressure him. I think it is very possible that it's not in freebase form, as it was likely synthesized with having a long "shelf life" in mind. Its also very possibly I bured most of it, and didn't get enough vapor in the initial 60 seconds to experiance anything.

 

[olympus mon]

Cobsoblr- without a doubt take a few hours and infuse your spice like Art suggested. Use parsley and either 90% IPA or greater or acetone. All things can be bought in one busride around town in an afternoon. People sometimes spend days and hours making sub standard smoking pipes that never work while in their own home probably have what they need to blow their minds.

Make the infusion, load a 2-3ft bong up to the brim and take a huge rip, hold in till your ready to pass out and tell us what happened. :d

I don't agree with this some people are IMMUNE ideas. Im currently writing a essay to be posted on the nexus that is shedding some light from personal experience how different medications and even herbs can drastically nullify the effects of dmt and ayahausca.

Things people don't think of is that many common Opiates have a big effect when built up in the system. Everyone go's to SSRI's which of coarse make a huge difference and can be dangerous but some opionoids and opiates can act as tricyclics and make it next to impossible to blast off with DMT. Anxiety meds can stop dmt in its tracks as well. The only time I watched a person correctly vape a large amount of dmt and feel nothing was my buddy who didn't tell me the truth and was on medication for depression and anxiety. I got it out of him later.

Otherwise its a tricky freebase to get right even for people that have done it a lot. So I agree with Art that people getting only minor or sub BT effects and have no other medications and drugs in their system then its the vaping method.


Sorry guys I dont buy it. People are not just immune to the strongest Psychedelic on the planet...not without other variables.

IMO of coarse....

 

[Global]

Cobsoblr- without a doubt take a few hours and infuse your spice like Art suggested. Use parsley and either 90% IPA or greater or acetone. All things can be bought in one busride around town in an afternoon. People sometimes spend days and hours making sub standard smoking pipes that never work while in their own home probably have what they need to blow their minds.

Make the infusion, load a 2-3ft bong up to the brim and take a huge rip, hold in till your ready to pass out and tell us what happened. :d

I don't agree with this some people are IMMUNE ideas. Im currently writing a essay to be posted on the nexus that is shedding some light from personal experience how different medications and even herbs can drastically nullify the effects of dmt and ayahausca.

Things people don't think of is that many common Opiates have a big effect when built up in the system. Everyone go's to SSRI's which of coarse make a huge difference and can be dangerous but some opionoids and opiates can act as tricyclics and make it next to impossible to blast off with DMT. Anxiety meds can stop dmt in its tracks as well. The only time I watched a person correctly vape a large amount of dmt and feel nothing was my buddy who didn't tell me the truth and was on medication for depression and anxiety. I got it out of him later.

Otherwise its a tricky freebase to get right even for people that have done it a lot. So I agree with Art that people getting only minor or sub BT effects and have no other medications and drugs in their system then its the vaping method.


Sorry guys I dont buy it. People are not just immune to the strongest Psychedelic on the planet...not without other variables.

IMO of coarse....

I have one friend who to my knowledge is not on any medications or taking opiates or SSRIs but as you mentioned, maybe I just don't know about it, but when I load up the GVG with my spice for him just like everyone else, and I apply the torch as he inhales and I see him take a gigantic milky-white hit, and he holds it in for as long as I do....and minimal effects ensue...I just don't know. He's the only one it happens to.

 

[olympus mon]

Interestingly enough, my friend did not try it that day, so I decided not to pressure him. I think it is very possible that it's not in freebase form, as it was likely synthesized with having a long "shelf life" in mind. Its also very possibly I bured most of it, and didn't get enough vapor in the initial 60 seconds to experiance anything.

AGAIN..extract it yourself and you wouldn't be wondering what form or even wtf it is!

 

[Global]

Interestingly enough, my friend did not try it that day, so I decided not to pressure him. I think it is very possible that it's not in freebase form, as it was likely synthesized with having a long "shelf life" in mind. Its also very possibly I bured most of it, and didn't get enough vapor in the initial 60 seconds to experiance anything.

AGAIN..extract it yourself and you wouldn't be wondering what form or even wtf it is!

Additionally, and I had a feeling that it sounded like it was synthesized at in the OP, but unless things have changed, we do not discuss synthesizing DMT at the Nexus.

 

[olympus mon]

I have one friend who to my knowledge is not on any medications or taking opiates or SSRIs but as you mentioned, maybe I just don't know about it, but when I load up the GVG with my spice for him just like everyone else, and I apply the torch as he inhales and I see him take a gigantic milky-white hit, and he holds it in for as long as I do....and minimal effects ensue...I just don't know. He's the only one it happens to.

One thing to consider that before anyone can claim a person is immune to dmt effects it cant be from just one or a couple times. I've gone through ups and downs with DMT over the years and vaped copious amounts and felt nothing. It has happened and I have no idea why but since it doesn't happen all the time Im clearly not immune. DMT is starnge stuff and we need to know much more about it before people make claims such as immunity of 5-10% of peoples,:?

Not saying you are my brother. Just rambling my 2 cents on the matter.

Second, I see this a whole lot on here with ayahausca and personally at the healing center I stayed at in Peru. Multitudes of first timers come drink ayahausca and feel nothing at all. Those that stay for a couple more ceremonies or hopefully a month allow their body to learn and accept the medicine.

So person could say something like "I drank twice as much ayahausca than everyone else and it did nothing, Ayahausca doesn't work on me". Thats not accurate or true though.

So I do believe people when they say, "I saw a buddy who I know wasn't on any countering meds, vape a cloud, and feel very little" but I don't feel that means a person is immune. Brain chemistry can be quite tricky and over ride dmt from too much anticipation or expectation and especially hesitation and fear. Again not always and this is rare but some like you and I have seen it or experienced it.

Althoug much more common with oral dmt I dont see why these problems cant cross over into freebase as well.

Just read the failed aya first time reports. There are hundreds and I try to read them all because its interesting to me after what I saw in Peru with first timers. Quite often their brewing methods are fine and have adequate dosing. One thing this could be is body mind resistance.

 

[Global]

So I do believe people when they say, "I saw a buddy who I know wasn't on any countering meds, vape a cloud, and feel very little" but I don't feel that means a person is immune. Brain chemistry can be quite tricky and over ride dmt from too much anticipation or expectation and especially hesitation and fear. Again not always and this is rare but some like you and I have seen it or experienced it.

Althoug much more common with oral dmt I dont see why these problems cant cross over into freebase as well.

I would expect to see much more failures with oral DMT for two reasons. First there's the brew itself. Was the plant material potent? Was it brewed as effectively and efficiently as possible? Obviously we have the frequent case of where it hits someone really hard and not another from the same brew taken at the same time. Digestion is a much more complex system than respiration it should seem like to me. Everyone's individual digestive systems can be so incredibly unique along with individual metabolisms and things like height and weight probably come more into play here as well.

With my friend who has (at least) the illusion of being immune, I don't think hesitation, fear or anxiety play a big role. If anything, he usually seems to be quite confident, especially because he's never been past the "bright colors" stage. One time he and I consumed pharma together. I doubled his dosage from mine because I seem to be particularly sensitive, and he's also kind of heavy-set. So anyway, at the peak of the pharma experience (as I typically like to do), we vaped several times. While I was halfway across the universe, he claimed to only have a euphoric feeling. I just don't know. You do make good points though indeed.

 

[olympus mon]

I would expect to see much more failures with oral DMT for two reasons. First there's the brew itself. Was the plant material potent? Was it brewed as effectively and efficiently as possible? Obviously we have the frequent case of where it hits someone really hard and not another from the same brew taken at the same time. Digestion is a much more complex system than respiration it should seem like to me. Everyone's individual digestive systems can be so incredibly unique along with individual metabolisms and things like height and weight probably come more into play here as well.

With my friend who has (at least) the illusion of being immune, I don't think hesitation, fear or anxiety play a big role. If anything, he usually seems to be quite confident, especially because he's never been past the "bright colors" stage. One time he and I consumed pharma together. I doubled his dosage from mine because I seem to be particularly sensitive, and he's also kind of heavy-set. So anyway, at the peak of the pharma experience (as I typically like to do), we vaped several times. While I was halfway across the universe, he claimed to only have a euphoric feeling. I just don't know. You do make good points though indeed.

Man that is really strange, he is getting effects though just not breakthrough effects right? Have you only tried freebase and or a GVG with him? Id be interested in what a good heavy changa blend would do. IF he takes 2 big rips off a 3 foot bong with a 1 to 1 ration of dmt to caapi leaf and still doesn't see God....I may just conceded that some people are immune to dmt, lol!

Thats damn weird. I ask the above because even I have thought I got a great big hit off the gvg but then didnt seem to go to far. Tht things isnt the easiest method of administration IMO.
Im the ultimate hard head and usually need twice as much as others for oral and aya. Even on 3-4g mushrooms when Idtrvlr is on the ground in another dimension Im just hanging out jealous as all hell. :lol:

Being a hard head sucks!!!!!

 

[Global]

Yes, I suppose he's not entirely immune, but one of the hardest of hard heads that I've ever met. Being that I load up the dose for him, and I apply the flame and watch how he clears and holds it, I try to minimize as much as I can from the "poor vaping technique" department, but I just don't know.

 

[Coblsobr]

My great thanks to all for the ideas! This exactly the discussion I was hoping for!

As to the "% of people unaffected" stat, I've only seen a few claims, but the most credible IMO was the claim by Terence McKenna, and the book which I believe was quoted above.

I will try an infusion! Parsley will likely be the herb of choice, maybe sage or green tea leave (unless those two have anything that would make them an UNsuitable choice). My friend has HEET, which is apparently a 99.9% methanol solution. Without access to pure ethanol or reliably clean naphtha/acetone, would this methanol be a viable solvent option?