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does such a thing exist? I can just boil it down into a goo and gelcap it? and, what are the toxic elements in harmala?
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Hey everybody im a newb here :!: . I would love to start off by saying everytime I had a personal question I would search this very forum and noticed you guys are the most reliable and your really on top of your sh*t.
But anyhow, Im considering to make my first ayahuasca tea made from B. caapi and mimosa. But my very question is after brewing both teas seperately in diffrent pots, when all is ready is it possible to combine both teas, and drink the mixture in one cup? rather then drink the b.caapi then 30 mins later the mimosa?? I dont have much knowledge with ayahuasca and help with this question would be great.
also, i know syrian rue is suppose to be the cheapest way to do it, but is it even comparable to the b. caapi vines??? :surprised
But anyhow, Im considering to make my first ayahuasca tea made from B. caapi and mimosa. But my very question is after brewing both teas seperately in diffrent pots, when all is ready is it possible to combine both teas, and drink the mixture in one cup? rather then drink the b.caapi then 30 mins later the mimosa?? I dont have much knowledge with ayahuasca and help with this question would be great.
also, i know syrian rue is suppose to be the cheapest way to do it, but is it even comparable to the b. caapi vines??? :surprised
This is the tek I used: http://www.scribd.com/doc/48608165/STB-DMT-Extraction
I started out filling a 1 gallon plastic jug a little more than halfway with distilled water and added ~1 lb of lye. This was mixed and kept in a bucket of colder water to prevent too much heating, and was basically sitting in there for a few hours before I continued. I then added 1 lb of shredded/powdered Mexican root bark (primarily shredded!) from a well known vendor. This was allowed to sit for an hour, with vigorous shaking every 5-10 minutes. :roll: I then added about half a liter of naptha and shook it up. The water in the bucket was replaced with hot water and the jug was allowed to sit in it to separate. After 45 minutes or so, the naptha was not very separated like the tek said. About half of what I put in was in a layer on the top, a deep yellow. I took this out and placed it in another jug. I then added the rest of the liter of naptha into the original MHRB jug and swished it around. I then cleaned the second jug with 2 sodium carbonate washes and allowed it to freeze precip in a jar for 24 hrs, but it wasn't saturated enough. Poured out the into a pyrex dish to evaporate overnight.
Now here's my problem. I don't have 1L of naptha pulled, I'm pretty sure the rest emulsified somehow. I plan on adding some water+lye to it and swirling it around in a few hours once I'm off of work, but what other ideas do you guys have? I'm also going to buy another liter of naptha just in case.
I'm not even sure how the first pull is going to do in the pyrex dish :?
Thanks!
I started out filling a 1 gallon plastic jug a little more than halfway with distilled water and added ~1 lb of lye. This was mixed and kept in a bucket of colder water to prevent too much heating, and was basically sitting in there for a few hours before I continued. I then added 1 lb of shredded/powdered Mexican root bark (primarily shredded!) from a well known vendor. This was allowed to sit for an hour, with vigorous shaking every 5-10 minutes. :roll: I then added about half a liter of naptha and shook it up. The water in the bucket was replaced with hot water and the jug was allowed to sit in it to separate. After 45 minutes or so, the naptha was not very separated like the tek said. About half of what I put in was in a layer on the top, a deep yellow. I took this out and placed it in another jug. I then added the rest of the liter of naptha into the original MHRB jug and swished it around. I then cleaned the second jug with 2 sodium carbonate washes and allowed it to freeze precip in a jar for 24 hrs, but it wasn't saturated enough. Poured out the into a pyrex dish to evaporate overnight.
Now here's my problem. I don't have 1L of naptha pulled, I'm pretty sure the rest emulsified somehow. I plan on adding some water+lye to it and swirling it around in a few hours once I'm off of work, but what other ideas do you guys have? I'm also going to buy another liter of naptha just in case.
I'm not even sure how the first pull is going to do in the pyrex dish :?
Thanks!
3rdI said:
Yes, and I've read some of your tips. Warming the jug doesn't seem to do anything and I'm just wondering if adding lye+water would be a good next step...I don't want to dilute my solution too much or end up adding to much lye. Very new to all this 8)
Maybe you could just try the different methods of breaking the emulsion 1 at a time to see if any work, I'm sure one of them will.
And maybe run a smaller amount of bark next time, then if it goes wrong you won't have waisted very much bark. You would get a lot of DMT from a pound of bark.
And maybe run a smaller amount of bark next time, then if it goes wrong you won't have waisted very much bark. You would get a lot of DMT from a pound of bark.
I am wondering what to do with the gunk that is left behind after doing a re-x with warm naphtha. It seems like there is quite a bit of waxy stuff being left behind. It is sparkly and still has that dmt smell, which leads me to believe that it is still active. I have yellow wax from an stb, white wax from an a/b, and tan wax as well. I melted it on tinfoil and it smells like dmt and ass.
Should I try and redissolve it in warm naptha again or maybe try it with another solvent? It would be a pity to toss it if there are still actives in there.
Thanks
Should I try and redissolve it in warm naptha again or maybe try it with another solvent? It would be a pity to toss it if there are still actives in there.
Thanks
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Does OJ fall under an MAOI?
Can I dissolve the appropriate amount of spice in separate shot glasses of OJ?
Can I dissolve the appropriate amount of spice in separate shot glasses of OJ?
Digest Yourself
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Ok, I feel very awkward creating this topic.
This is not for me, as a matter of fact the only substance I use is DMT, and in freebase form. I don't smoke weed or drink etc.. In any event, I have a friend who is interested in trying DMT IV. He has free based the same product he wants to IV. I understand that in professional DMT administration tests it was done IV. I really want this to be safe for him, because he's going to do it regardless. So if anyone has done this or knows how to properly do it. Please let me know.
This is not for me, as a matter of fact the only substance I use is DMT, and in freebase form. I don't smoke weed or drink etc.. In any event, I have a friend who is interested in trying DMT IV. He has free based the same product he wants to IV. I understand that in professional DMT administration tests it was done IV. I really want this to be safe for him, because he's going to do it regardless. So if anyone has done this or knows how to properly do it. Please let me know.
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Digest Yourself,
When will you finally just READ the FAQ? This has been the so many'th time that your post end up in this thread that you are seriously testing our patience here.
The next time I will just ban you from this forum to FORCE you to do the reading yourself and finally start helping yourself.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
When will you finally just READ the FAQ? This has been the so many'th time that your post end up in this thread that you are seriously testing our patience here.
The next time I will just ban you from this forum to FORCE you to do the reading yourself and finally start helping yourself.
Kind regards,
The Traveler
I found the most helpful information here:
A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (from The DMT Handbook)
Food-grade products seem to be preferred, or anything high-grade if that is not possible. Isopropyl is not recommended for harmalas as they don't dissolve well into it, but I am unsure of how each would react with caapi. Should be available on the forum through some more searches, but look through the Changa section or some Teks.
A Guide to DMT Enhanced Leaf (from The DMT Handbook)
Food-grade products seem to be preferred, or anything high-grade if that is not possible. Isopropyl is not recommended for harmalas as they don't dissolve well into it, but I am unsure of how each would react with caapi. Should be available on the forum through some more searches, but look through the Changa section or some Teks.
I love using acetone, it evaporates the quickest in my experience. The freebase dmt pretty much instantaneously dissolves into any of those aforementioned three solvents, but I've always had trouble dissolving the harmalas from rue or caapi. I don't even mess around with freebasing harmalas anymore when you can just do a 10x boost to the caapi leaves.
I did this for the first time last weekend and woah! The difference is definitely notable. Way more spiritually guided and smooth, gentle and lengthened. If I recall my 1g of caapi leaves weighed closer to 2.5 grams after the 10x increase, so I think there was a fair amount of harmalas added in that process. Then I combined the leaves with freebase dmt and acetone, evapped fully within 2 hours and was good to go.
I did this for the first time last weekend and woah! The difference is definitely notable. Way more spiritually guided and smooth, gentle and lengthened. If I recall my 1g of caapi leaves weighed closer to 2.5 grams after the 10x increase, so I think there was a fair amount of harmalas added in that process. Then I combined the leaves with freebase dmt and acetone, evapped fully within 2 hours and was good to go.
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Hello Chemists and or experienced A/B-ers.
Is heat necessary during the acid bath?
Does it help?
Does it hurt?
Would adding enough HCl to get the pH down to around 3 without heat be enough to convert the molecules to salts?
Other thoughts?
Update #2:
BLAB - The Big Leisurely A/B ---> Room Temp bath (days) or boil (hours)
Marsofold's Tek ---> CrockPot
Shaggy's Jungle Tek ---> CrockPot
DMT Extraction Overview ---> Heat plant material (no explanation as to why)
PanoraMIX European AB ---> Room Temp (4 days)
The DMT HandBook ---> Boil
LexTek ---> Simmer
Q21Q21's Method #1 ---> Near boiling added to bark
Q21Q21's Method #2 ---> Near boiling added to bark
Vovin's Tek ---> "Heat will break down the DMT and cause a loss in yield."
Simmered water added to bark allowed to sit 45 minuetes
Update #1:
Under the Pressure Cooker thread, it is understood that the heat is an attempt to break down the cell walls of the plant material.
In research of San Pedro, El Maestro, its recommended to freeze the cacti to help burst cell walls. Erowid Tek
Would the cell walls of MHRB be any different?
Thoughts:
Cacti have flexible cells (water bags) that burst easily when frozen.
MHRB have more rigid cells.
Hypothesis: Freezing MHRB, instead of adding heat, during the acid bath stage will provide similar yield.
Experiment:
122.6g Finely powdered MHRB (SOxxNOxxRAN...SOxxNG)
Acid Bath 1:
2.5 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
pH ~3 with HCl (~ 4mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 45 min occasionally stirring
Strained out large particles with Tea Strainer
Let sit for 14 hours
decant liquid
Add large particles to Acid Bath 2
Acid Bath 2:
+1 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
+1 mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 40 min occasionally stirring
Strained out large particles with Tea Strainer
Let sit for 1 hour
decant liquid
Add large particles to Acid Bath 3
Acid Bath 3:
Same as 2
Acid Bath 4:
+1 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
+3 mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 2 hours, occasionally stirring
Place in Freezer till rock solid (7hours)
Allow to melt
More updates to come.
Is heat necessary during the acid bath?
Does it help?
Does it hurt?
Would adding enough HCl to get the pH down to around 3 without heat be enough to convert the molecules to salts?
Other thoughts?
Update #2:
BLAB - The Big Leisurely A/B ---> Room Temp bath (days) or boil (hours)
Marsofold's Tek ---> CrockPot
Shaggy's Jungle Tek ---> CrockPot
DMT Extraction Overview ---> Heat plant material (no explanation as to why)
PanoraMIX European AB ---> Room Temp (4 days)
The DMT HandBook ---> Boil
LexTek ---> Simmer
Q21Q21's Method #1 ---> Near boiling added to bark
Q21Q21's Method #2 ---> Near boiling added to bark
Vovin's Tek ---> "Heat will break down the DMT and cause a loss in yield."
Simmered water added to bark allowed to sit 45 minuetes
Update #1:
Under the Pressure Cooker thread, it is understood that the heat is an attempt to break down the cell walls of the plant material.
In research of San Pedro, El Maestro, its recommended to freeze the cacti to help burst cell walls. Erowid Tek
Would the cell walls of MHRB be any different?
Thoughts:
Cacti have flexible cells (water bags) that burst easily when frozen.
MHRB have more rigid cells.
Hypothesis: Freezing MHRB, instead of adding heat, during the acid bath stage will provide similar yield.
Experiment:
122.6g Finely powdered MHRB (SOxxNOxxRAN...SOxxNG)
Acid Bath 1:
2.5 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
pH ~3 with HCl (~ 4mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 45 min occasionally stirring
Strained out large particles with Tea Strainer
Let sit for 14 hours
decant liquid
Add large particles to Acid Bath 2
Acid Bath 2:
+1 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
+1 mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 40 min occasionally stirring
Strained out large particles with Tea Strainer
Let sit for 1 hour
decant liquid
Add large particles to Acid Bath 3
Acid Bath 3:
Same as 2
Acid Bath 4:
+1 L dH20 at room temp (~82 degrees F).
+3 mL of Acid Majic
Let sit for 2 hours, occasionally stirring
Place in Freezer till rock solid (7hours)
Allow to melt
More updates to come.
