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how can one improve the quality of their extractions through using a better apparatus or materials? for example, using deionised water is better than tap water.

I was thinking, would using a volumetric flask for your mixture work better than a mason jar? flasks have a smaller diameter than mason jars so wouldn't it be easier to pull out solvents? a mason jar may be tricky to pull out all the solvent because it's spread out more.

if money isnt much of an issue, proper lab materials could help in the long run. with that in mind, what would be the best possible apparatus for an extraction? (varies depending on the extraction method)
 
If one had accidentally added too much vinegar to a A/B extraction could one just add more lye in the basify step?

For instance if one was supposed to use 1800 ml of water in each of the 4 acid boils with 200ml of vinegar and they had accidentally added 400 ml of vinegar to all of them then that would be twice the amount of vinegar in the solution. Could they theoretically add twice as much lye in the basify step to ensure a full precipitation? The normal of lye that should be added in the tek is 125 grams to about 1250ml of an acidic solution.

Thanks for your time.

-Blastronaut
 
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH ME, IVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THIS DAMN FASA METHOD! WHY? FUMARIC ACID IS INSOLUBLE IN ACETONE, so what do people REALLY mean by "dissolving it"

that picture there is a test ive had sitting around for about 24hrs now and still nothing... im curious as to how all these "fasa" success methods are actually being completed.
 

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Pulling this from the "For FAQ's Sake" thread, as I feel it's going to get lost and go unanswered.

My buddy Oscar has 2kg shredded MHRB and another 2kg whole MHRB. Oscar has a group of yoga friends that have collectively expressed interest in trying the good brew. Oscar & his friends have all spent a good amount of time researching proper application techniques, and have visited the elves multiple times through freebasing.

Oscar is now looking for some help on brewing enough for anywhere from 5 to 8 psychonauts. He seems to be overwhelmed with the abundance of recipes & is not sure as to which one he should go for. He's also aware that he will need to pick up some additional plant material, but again would like to have clarification on what is recommended.

We both appreciate any and all feedback that you can give!
 
temeculove420 said:
He seems to be overwhelmed with the abundance of recipes & is not sure as to which one he should go for.
Sounds like Oscar shouldn't be taking on a project of this magnitude. Brewing techniques are like cooking techniques. There are many ways to make a good meal. What one person prefers, another may not.

Oscar should consider gaining some experience brewing for himself before he takes on the huge responsibility of brewing for others.
 
SnozzleBerry said:
temeculove420 said:
He seems to be overwhelmed with the abundance of recipes & is not sure as to which one he should go for.
Sounds like Oscar shouldn't be taking on a project of this magnitude. Brewing techniques are like cooking techniques. There are many ways to make a good meal. What one person prefers, another may not.

Oscar should consider gaining some experience brewing for himself before he takes on the huge responsibility of brewing for others.

Thats why I eat out.
 
Blastronaut said:
For instance if one was supposed to use 1800 ml of water in each of the 4 acid boils with 200ml of vinegar and they had accidentally added 400 ml of vinegar to all of them then that would be twice the amount of vinegar in the solution. Could they theoretically add twice as much lye in the basify step to ensure a full precipitation? The normal of lye that should be added in the tek is 125 grams to about 1250ml of an acidic solution.
Assuming that the vinegar used is a 5% solution, 200ml would roughly equate to 10 grams of pure acetic acid, which has a molar weight of about 60 grams per mole - makes 0.16 moles of acetic acid. So you would need to add 0.16 mole of lye to compensate. NaOH has molar weight of about 40 grams per mole, so if you add 7 grams of lye, that would be more than enough. More NaOH doesn't hurt anyway, as Snozzleberry already wrote.
 
JimDandyCee said:
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH ME, IVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THIS DAMN FASA METHOD! WHY? FUMARIC ACID IS INSOLUBLE IN ACETONE, so what do people REALLY mean by "dissolving it"
Fumaric acid is not insoluble in dry acetone, it is not very soluble, but certainly not insoluble.

You don't need to boil or reflux the acetone, in fact that may be bad, as the acetone might self condense a little. Just use room temperature acetone and stir it for some time, let it stand 15 minutes, stir it well again and let it stand for 15 more minutes. Any fumaric acid still undissolved is likely excess and can be decanted. Remember to keep the container with dry acetone and fumaric acid covered, or it will suck up moisture from the atmosphere and not be dry anymore.

P.S.: Please don't "shout" with all-caps text - it won't help anyway.
 
pitubo said:
JimDandyCee said:
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE SHARE THIS WITH ME, IVE BEEN STRUGGLING TO UNDERSTAND THIS DAMN FASA METHOD! WHY? FUMARIC ACID IS INSOLUBLE IN ACETONE, so what do people REALLY mean by "dissolving it"
Fumaric acid is not insoluble in dry acetone, it is not very soluble, but certainly not insoluble.

You don't need to boil or reflux the acetone, in fact that may be bad, as the acetone might self condense a little. Just use room temperature acetone and stir it for some time, let it stand 15 minutes, stir it well again and let it stand for 15 more minutes. Any fumaric acid still undissolved is likely excess and can be decanted. Remember to keep the container with dry acetone and fumaric acid covered, or it will suck up moisture from the atmosphere and not be dry anymore.

P.S.: Please don't "shout" with all-caps text - it won't help anyway.

Noted, I'm just showing the extensive efforts on my part to show beginners etc, its not just a matter of adding a crystalline acid to acetone and its gonna dissolve.

What is everyone's waiting times for the fumaric acid to completely dissolve. (Roughly).
As you can see, picture two was heated at reflux for roughly 50mins, with constant stirring.
That was the result of that procedure.
Any info to add?
 
nukayo said:
what to do with the chemical residue generated?
I mean, Mimosa + NaOH? What is the best way to discard it? Would enjoy something from him?


Good tip:
I grow a lot of tea, tobacco various other psychoactive plants and trees, not to mention just plain old beautiful exotic plants.
Any tree stumps That have rooted to the ground, that need removal, I axe a cross in the top or drill holes in the stump, then use my basic solution to help start the breakdown of the stump.
 
JimDandyCee said:
That was the result of that procedure.
I'm sorry that I could not deduct so much information from your attached pictures.

Did you make any measurements?
- How much dry acetone did you use?
- How much fumaric acid did you drop into it?
- How much fumaric acid was left in the vessel after decanting the fumaric acid saturated acetone (after drying the fumaric acid residue to constant weight)?

JimDandyCee said:
Any info to add?
- Did you actually attempt to slowly drip a saturated solution of a stoichometric amount of freebase DMT in dry acetone into the FASA and wait a day for completion of the reaction and precipitation?
 
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