mugwump77 said:[quote='Coatl]If they'd shut up for a second about the plant-spirit mumbo jumbo bullshit and let a little science in I think it'd help them alot...
Y'all are TOO scientific sometimes... and forget about the plant-spirit... which is also a shame!
obliguhl said:mugwump77 said:[quote='Coatl]If they'd shut up for a second about the plant-spirit mumbo jumbo bullshit and let a little science in I think it'd help them alot...
Y'all are TOO scientific sometimes... and forget about the plant-spirit... which is also a shame!
there is no difference between science and spirit. it's only in the language.
shoe said:obliguhl said:mugwump77 said:[quote='Coatl]If they'd shut up for a second about the plant-spirit mumbo jumbo bullshit and let a little science in I think it'd help them alot...
Y'all are TOO scientific sometimes... and forget about the plant-spirit... which is also a shame!
there is no difference between science and spirit. it's only in the language.
Quite something to think about!
LLB said:I used to be a mod on t he aya forum that went by TIHKAL... i had to leave because of too much fundamentalist dogmatic arrogance on the behalf of the other mods...
they turned on me like a pack of wolves...
with people thinking that they speak for the spirit of ayahuasca as moderators its a bit hard to express new ideas, especially if they conflict with the moderating hierophants....
it got old after a while...
there are some good folks there... but wow... yah ayahuasca attracts some strange folks.
Its really nice how folks around here are pretty level headed and down to earth... which seems ironic due to the nature of the forums focus...
I was actually told that they could tell that the spirit of the vine was not speaking through me... it was kinda cultish when i left...
mugwump77 said:there is no difference between science and spirit. it's only in the language.
mugwump77 said:science is not different from spirituality. it is the language. it is how something is explained, and understood, but hardly completely different. spirituality is the theory, science is the evidence, but both address the same subject: what is, and how?
deedle-doo said:mugwump77 said:there is no difference between science and spirit. it's only in the language.
mugwump77 said:science is not different from spirituality. it is the language. it is how something is explained, and understood, but hardly completely different. spirituality is the theory, science is the evidence, but both address the same subject: what is, and how?
No, it is deeper then just the language. Science and spirituality have entirely different epistemological frameworks.
What makes a spiritual truth true?
What makes a scientific truth true?
Science has proven a more effective framework for addressing what is, and how? IMO, spirituality is more useful for addressing why?
LLB said:I used to be a mod on t he aya forum that went by TIHKAL... i had to leave because of too much fundamentalist dogmatic arrogance on the behalf of the other mods...
they turned on me like a pack of wolves...
with people thinking that they speak for the spirit of ayahuasca as moderators its a bit hard to express new ideas, especially if they conflict with the moderating hierophants....
it got old after a while...
there are some good folks there... but wow... yah ayahuasca attracts some strange folks.
Its really nice how folks around here are pretty level headed and down to earth... which seems ironic due to the nature of the forums focus...
I was actually told that they could tell that the spirit of the vine was not speaking through me... it was kinda cultish when i left...
LLB said:it was kinda cultish when i left...
deedle-doo said:Mugwump,
I think I can dig it. It's all about trying to find truth in the universe. Some truths are more quantifiable and some must be felt. The psychadelic experience is in the middle somewhere, as is most of our experienced lives.
I really like your attitude about the purpose of science. It makes me really happy. Pure basic science aimed only at trying to find truths in the universe gets no love from many these days. A lot of people only get really excited about curing a disease or inventing a new better television etc. Something that will help them materially. Understandable i suppose. I think this community in general has more respect for immaterial things like basic knowledge.