project found! some black cappi leafe from the old nexus days!!

[1Starway7]

I thoughi i lost the great cappi leaf i had from years back..but i found some left over leaf...its very dry and still active! This should be a good safer substitute for that nasty rue!
Put a pinch last night in water ..looked at it under black light...and it glowed strongly!
Will give it a try soon!

 

[Transform]

I thoughi i lost the great cappi leaf i had from years back..but i found some left over leaf...its very dry and still active! This should be a good safer substitute for that nasty rue!
Put a pinch last night in water ..looked at it under black light...and it glowed strongly!
Will give it a try soon!

Do you have a picture of the glow, and the leaves themselves? And is this black caapi from banisteriopsis, or the one that iirc people were claiming was in fact Alicia anisopetala?

Something I've noticed, at least as an analogy, is that in the case of sea buckthorn extracts where there's quite a compelling β-carboline-style fluorescence, this doesn't necessarily correspond to there being a useable concentration of RIMA in the plant material.

Did you manage to use these leaves as an effective source of MAOI before?

 

[1Starway7]

Do you have a picture of the glow, and the leaves themselves? And is this black caapi from banisteriopsis, or the one that iirc people were claiming was in fact Alicia anisopetala?

Something I've noticed, at least as an analogy, is that in the case of sea buckthorn extracts where there's quite a compelling β-carboline-style fluorescence, this doesn't necessarily correspond to there being a useable concentration of RIMA in the plant material.

Did you manage to use these leaves as an effective source of MAOI before?

yes i used those leaves 3 or 4 years back and found that species to be quite potent!

its hard to get the glow picture right with a simple camera...

ive read that if the leaves were kept dry they will stay active for years...back then...black cappi leaves were concidered very effective even more so than the black capi vine...

i still have a large bag of ....young cappi from the big island..that was suposed to be growing on the .....late dmt kings property.......but i think it might be fake. capi leaf?..

but this older leaf is in a marked bag...thats labeled [natural herbal tea leaf....

after putting it in water then in front of black light....it had a strong glow...and got on my fingers...but after sitting at room temperature over night the glow weakened some....

the leaves i got from the big island ...didnt glow much at all..?

 

[1Starway7]

yes i used those leaves 3 or 4 years back and found that species to be quite potent!

its hard to get the glow picture right with a simple camera...

ive read that if the leaves were kept dry they will stay active for years...back then...black cappi leaves were concidered very effective even more so than the black capi vine...

i still have a large bag of ....young cappi from the big island..that was suposed to be growing on the .....late dmt kings property.......but i think it might be fake. capi leaf?..

but this older leaf is in a marked bag...thats labeled [natural herbal tea leaf....

after putting it in water then in front of black light....it had a strong glow...and got on my fingers...but after sitting at room temperature over night the glow weakened some....

the leaves i got from the big island ...didnt glow much at all..?

I set camera on auto focus in dark...got a little better picture of what looks like blue/ green...glow to my eyes and this isnt much leaf material only a pinch in water...this is just from a small pinch of leaf...probily might be a stronger color if i used more leaf or alcohol instead of distilled water?

kind of a light blue/green tint.. last two pictures with plain tap water...

 

[Transform]

That shot glass illustrates well how some glass glows blue quite strongly, which can be annoying if you're trying to work with something that fluoresces in a similar shade.

Good of you to include the blanks as well

As I've mentioned in some other threads, a simple LED kids' "spy pen" comes in surprisingly handy when working with harmalas. Less cumbersome than waving a fluorescent tube around as well, even though the latter has its place too.

I look forward to hearing how this goes for you since it seems pretty clear that those leaves should still be at least half-decent. That's a respectable amount of glow from a pinch of material.

 

[1Starway7]

That shot glass illustrates well how some glass glows blue quite strongly, which can be annoying if you're trying to work with something that fluoresces in a similar shade.

Good of you to include the blanks as well

As I've mentioned in some other threads, a simple LED kids' "spy pen" comes in surprisingly handy when working with harmalas. Less cumbersome than waving a fluorescent tube around as well, even though the latter has its place too.

I look forward to hearing how this goes for you since it seems pretty clear that those leaves should still be at least half-decent. That's a respectable amount of glow from a pinch of material.

I can hardly believe this for leaf material.... even if its 2 or 3 years old...soaking only in water over night in the refrigerator...i put some on my toung and its quite bitter!

ive tryed Other cappi leaf in a tea water tast a little like weak black tea..but this stuff is ....VERY BITTER!... just from soaking in water in refrigerator over night...

I looked at my toung with black light and it reflected a light color on it....

 

[Jamie01]

I have rue from like maybe 2009-2010 era that is still potent and I can’t say I notice a difference between this stuff and extracts from newer seed.

 

[1Starway7]

I have rue from like maybe 2009-2010 era that is still potent and I can’t say I notice a difference between this stuff and extracts from newer seed.

this is black cappi leaf...

 

[Traged]

Black light is just UV? Material was not extracted in any way? just put in the water?

 

[1Starway7]

Black light is just UV? Material was not extracted in any way? just put in the water?

correct...

 

[1Starway7]

Better pictures of old cappi leaf ...[black cappi leaf i think]....after boiled in distilled water...

I washed my hands under blacklight and the glowing stuff runs off like paint into sink and down drain..all this from the very dry leaf in photo 1791...

i put some on my toung and it glowed also!...... [set camera for low light to capture the glow..]..

picture 1809 is just water].......picture 1791 dry leaf .....picture 1805 is how it looks boiled in pot...[ without black light] .....the rest of photos you can clearly see the bluish glow......picture 1800 shows it all over my hand...
only rue glows like this!..... and this is only several years old... black cappi leaf...1785 shows some of it splashed on counter top...

this leaf is loaded with something that glows like paint under black light! look what its doing to my sink...picture 1811 under black light..

i think that this cappi leaf some years back was excetionally good potent cappi leaf! the color to me looks like a ....light blue or turquois.......no yellow or green....

 

[1Starway7]

Better pictures of old cappi leaf ...[black cappi leaf i think]....after boiled in distilled water...

I washed my hands under blacklight and the glowing stuff runs off like paint into sink and down drain..all this from the very dry leaf in photo 1791...

i put some on my toung and it glowed also!...... [set camera for low light to capture the glow..]..

picture 1809 is just water].......picture 1791 dry leaf .....picture 1805 is how it looks boiled in pot...[ without black light] .....the rest of photos you can clearly see the bluish glow......picture 1800 shows it all over my hand...
only rue glows like this!..... and this is only several years old... black cappi leaf...1785 shows some of it splashed on counter top...

this leaf is loaded with something that glows like paint under black light! look what its doing to my sink...picture 1811 under black light..

i think that this cappi leaf some years back was excetionally good potent cappi leaf! the color to me looks like a ....light blue or turquois.......no yellow or green....

after boiling the cappi leaf in purified water only...i poured the liquid through a strainer seperating the plant material from the liquid..

then put the liquid under a fan over night laving me with an amber colored coating in glass dish...that was very dry and scraped up easily....into sparkeling sand....

 

[1Starway7]

after boiling the cappi leaf in purified water only...i poured the liquid through a strainer seperating the plant material from the liquid..

then put the liquid under a fan over night laving me with an amber colored coating in glass dish...that was very dry and scraped up easily....into sparkeling sand....

In past,,,ive done the same thing to rue seeds...boiling or soaking in grn alcohol...and after drying i scraped up this sparkling sand like material about the same color......and this from cappi leaf....

 

[Transform]

In past,,,ive done the same thing to rue seeds...boiling or soaking in grn alcohol...and after drying i scraped up this sparkling sand like material about the same color......and this from cappi leaf....

That's pretty impressive for leaf extract - did you use distilled water? I'm wondering what percentage of plant salts you've inevitably collected there. Have you bioassayed for subjective potency yet? Crude extracts will tend to be subjectively weaker, but they'll also not necessarily have evaporated down homogeneously across the dish. This could give rise to 'hot spots' and 'cold spots' if the solids aren't finely powdered and thoroughly mixed.

Have you recorded the weight of leaves used, and the amount of extract obtained? That might be useful to know.

 

[1Starway7]

That's pretty impressive for leaf extract - did you use distilled water? I'm wondering what percentage of plant salts you've inevitably collected there. Have you bioassayed for subjective potency yet? Crude extracts will tend to be subjectively weaker, but they'll also not necessarily have evaporated down homogeneously across the dish. This could give rise to 'hot spots' and 'cold spots' if the solids aren't finely powdered and thoroughly mixed.

Have you recorded the weight of leaves used, and the amount of extract obtained? That might be useful to know.

i put some of the stuff on my toung and its bitter....i used distilled water only..
as i washed my hands in sink under black light it looked like paint running down the drain!

this has to be the cappi leaf back durring the old nexus days! ... [i was starway 6]...and first joined in 2012...... this leaf had no evedence of mold [see above picture]...it was called ...black cappi leaf ...and its strain was treasured and concidered high potency... posibly higher than the vine itself.....the leaf was more potent than the vin.e in this species.....

It is old ...and may have lost some of its potency... but acording to AI...it should be same strength as long as it was kept dry...

i may try some of it soon..

 

[1Starway7]

i noticed that blacklight glow reduced some after i seperated the leafe material from the water and asked AI why this happens?

i used rue seed as a model when i asked AI why the glow reduced...and this was its answer...below..maybe discarding the leaf material was wastfull?



The bright glow observed when soaking Peganum harmala (Syrian Rue) seeds in grain alcohol under a black light is caused by the extraction of alkaloids—specifically harmaline and harmine—from the seed coat into the alcohol.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +1
The fluorescence stops or significantly diminishes after separating the seeds from the liquid for several key reasons, primarily related to solvent polarity, concentration, and molecular degradation:

• Loss of Solvent Synergy: The fluorescence of these alkaloids is highly dependent on the solvent environment. The specific combination of alcohol and trace water extracted from the seeds forms clusters that enhance fluorescence. When separated from the raw seed material, the chemical environment changes, reducing the "brightness" of the dissolved alkaloids.
• Rapid Degradation: The compounds responsible for the glow, particularly chlorophylls and certain alkaloids, are unstable in ethanolic solutions and degrade relatively quickly, especially if exposed to air or light.
• Separation from the Source: The initial, intense glow often comes from the solid seed surfaces themselves, which are coated with a high concentration of alkaloids. Removing the seeds removes the highest density of the fluorescent compounds, leaving behind a less concentrated solution in the alcohol.
• Alkaloid Invisibility: While the alcohol may still contain some extracted compounds, their concentration may be too low to produce a vibrant color without the high density present on the surface of the seeds.
  National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3

Essentially, the phenomenon is a temporary extraction of fluorescent compounds that requires the specific, high-concentration environment of the seed surface to maintain maximum intensity.

 

[1Starway7]

Im going to test some ..much newer leaves... got a while back that suposed to be from the late....mckennas property.......young cappi leaf...they claim...

so far.... it apears to glow as good... [same light blue color].... as the older cappi leaf...while in water durring a boil...so mabey its not fake leaf like i suspected?

maybe this for real cappi leaf!

all 6 pictures are from the cappi leaf from Mckennas property...acording to the seller.. it looks better than i thought it would!