Sabnock1990
Be Your Own Shaman
Just wanna add that i didn't come up with the roasting thing, i got turned onto it by DownwardsFromZero, though quite a few folks had talked about roasting before i tried it.
Indeed. I only roasted the seeds because of suggestions of improved palatability here on the forum. This was followed by looking at the fluorescence of a brew made from a particularly dark-roasted batch - it was dark blue rather than the usual yellow green. The suggestion that this might have something to do with reduced harmaline levels and relatively higher harmine levels was what inspired ShamensStamen, iirc.ShamensStamen said:Just wanna add that i didn't come up with the roasting thing, i got turned onto it by DownwardsFromZero, though quite a few folks had talked about roasting before i tried it.
DF0 said:Lately I've favoured brewing ground, raw seeds - at least in terms of effects and potency. The resulting brew is utterly revolting and I struggle to drink it Sick Surely there must be some kind of middle ground in this Laughing
dithyramb said:Roasting is a known traditional method with rue seeds. However I don't believe it is in the domain of proper entheogenic use. It just diminishes the spirit of rue.
dithyramb said:Better or worse are adjectives to use for the outcome of a clearly defined purpose.
You can get benefits from rue without experiencing it's spirit in full.
downwardsfromzero said:With some luck there may be a chance for me to try fresh seeds and/or other plant material since, for the first time, my seedlings have survived beyond the sprouting phase. There'll be some photos to share on the forum before too long.
OK, perhaps I will. But first, a brief outline here. The main things I did were 'soaking' a pinch of seeds overnight in my own mouth, then spitting them into a plant pot with gritty compost. At some point in the spring, one of the pots went outside (others were outside already). The pot had had a Coleus plant in it which had succumbed to compost gnats feeding on the roots. It ended up in a partly shaded spot next to the door of my greenhouse and, other than the occasional watering to ensure it didn't get entirely dried out, it was largely forgotten about. After the recent spell of hot dry weather, where I had been away for about three weeks, I was surprised to come back to one fairly well-developed seedling and several other sprouts.Woolmer said:downwardsfromzero said:With some luck there may be a chance for me to try fresh seeds and/or other plant material since, for the first time, my seedlings have survived beyond the sprouting phase. There'll be some photos to share on the forum before too long.
Could you perhaps make a post detailing your growing process as I, and many others from what I've read, could also not get past the sprouting phase?
dithyramb said:In Ayahuasca, the plants are not roasted. Cold water extraction, simmering, boiling, roasting are all different preparations with different outcomes.
dithyramb said:It's not about my view. You can objectively measure the weakened activity qualitatively and quantitatively when you roast the seeds. With roasting it becomes less harsh in taste and also experientially so it is understandable why some people prefer roasting.
Yep. There's a certain beauty to the trade off - dynamic struggle, even - between the full, 'wild' effects of the raw seed along with its complete and utter repugnancy as a brew (even wormwood and centaury - combined - are more tolerable than that) in comparison to the altogether more palatable yet somehow more 'tame' or even 'domesticated' effects of the roast material.dithyramb said:It's not about my view. You can objectively measure the weakened activity qualitatively and quantitatively when you roast the seeds. With roasting it becomes less harsh in taste and also experientially so it is understandable why some people prefer roasting.
dithyramb said:Roasting essentially furthers what happens with the drying and ageing process. It's the opposite of what I describe here.
Void said:I think I may try eating some raw seeds and see what happens. Thoughts?