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Fun with low dose DMT, anyone else?

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ShamanDoc

ShamanDoc

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I prefer to enjoy the spice two ways. First of course is the full "hyperspace" dose. However I've had a great deal of enjoyment with low doses. That is, enough to cause some serious hallucinations, but low enough that you stay grounded. Its a very intense, localized trip, the environment is the main thing to "trip" on, or one can use the closed eye visuals and phosphenes with meditation.

I've experimented with a wide variety of methods and locations, I'll share a few.

In the deep woods, next to a lake, watching the sun set between two mountains, partially obscured by a beautiful complement of clouds. My friend played pink floyd from his battery speakers (crazy diamond, time, etc). I cooked it in some weed in a water pipe, and then just sat, and stared into the sunset (I highly recommend SHADES when doing this, not only does it protect your eyes, it removes the glare, and allows for less obscured, and more complex visuals). I became lost in the clouds, as they began to glow and distort, in strange, but beautifully flowing spirals. It came to a point where I had put myself so deep that I literally thought I was staring at the spinning nebula of an infant galaxy. For a moment, for just a glimpse, I could see the fractal pattern of the universe, as I saw before my eyes this galaxy I was viewing, darkened and accelerated to reveal what appeared to be a schrodinger model atom. Then just a sublty as it had came on, about 7 minutes in I was once again staring at a sunset, still glowing, and pulsing as it crept behind the mountain.

I did it a month later at another lake, in a lawn chair stair at once again, beautiful clouds. I grabbed my shades, grabbed my pipe, and just sat and reveled in the silent, beauty of nature, and was just somehow able to perceive EVERYthing in front of me in perfect contrast and focus, while it still geometricly distorted and glowed.

I've done a few more like this, the deep backcountry is my temple, where I've had all my best journeys.

Another common ritual I hold, is I put a relatively low dose in the bottom of a test tube, then mount it over my ceremonial candle, after it vaporizes, I remove the plug and inhale with a plastic straw. I'll commonly do this at home, closed eyes, with some classical orchestra, or piano playing (try classical piano for grounding music, the rythmn is ecstatic)

I've also tried it while intoxicated a few times. Wouldn't recommend it, my trips tend to be quite.... dizzy :p


anyone else enjoy the low dose of the spice ?
 
I'm not much for low doses unless I'm tripping on shrooms. Then I love them :)
Well I'm nowdays only smoking DMT with shrooms. Great combo.
 
I personally like low doses as well. Last night I took one, and I laid back in bed and felt like I was in the primordial soup of life. I felt so blissful and one with everything, literally! Shrooms convince you into thinking that you're one with everything, but with DMT I feel it all over my body. It's simply amazing.
 
DMTripper said:
I'm not much for low doses unless I'm tripping on shrooms. Then I love them :)
Well I'm nowdays only smoking DMT with shrooms. Great combo.
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Actually I was planning on posting a topic on combining DMT with a shrooms journey. I've considered it, I was just wondering if anyone else had tried it and had a good experience.

Thanks for the recommendation, I'll try it next time I shroom.
 
Shrooms and DMT (at any dose) is always a wonderful experience.

Low dose Spice by itself is boring and dysphoric to me, I avoid it at all costs.
 
yes acolon :)

SWIM's gonna take his fav combo (shrooms and smoke dmt) next week, cant wait :)

As for low doses of spice, SWIM did it a few times as a pre-session to remember the somatic symptoms and prepare for a big journey after an hour or so, but in general very much agree with you that they are boring, strange and that SWIM avoids them
 
acolon_5 said:
Shrooms and DMT (at any dose) is always a wonderful experience.

Low dose Spice by itself is boring and dysphoric to me, I avoid it at all costs.
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Yes, exactly, dysphoric is the perfect word to describe it for me too, it make's me feel weird, and annoyed, it leaves me in a confusing state, like being stuck right in the middle of something that could've been special, i seriously dislike that feeling.

I experimented with lower doses combined with cannabis too, sometime's it gave me mild psychedelic experiences and enabled my mind to think in very philosophical ways, but then at other time's it made me feel very annoyed and empty, i don't like to play with these feelings too much, this Russian Roulette type of using DMT is not the way to go for me personally, but it's great that other people are able to get so much positive experiences from it.


But the time's that i did enjoy lower doses where great though.
I had a period that i first smoked some DMT enriched Cannabis, then took a few hit's from my DMT loaded bong, and the went to shower, those where very relaxed experiences, but i kinda exploited those habbits, so they became less relaxing, and rather dull copies of supposed blissfulness.

So, for me personally it's not the proper way to enjoy DMT, but that's probably because i overdid it, and by doing so, i took away the magic, it's the same with all substances, i should've known better i guess.
 
SWIM does not like high doses when smoked. SWIM can never remember what happens and its too confusing and sudden. SWIM can't gain much from high doses of dmt when smoking. Its different with oral. With oral doses a higher end dose is very nice for an intense introspective trip. SWIM prefers to smoke dmt when SWIM feels like getting a nice psychedelic warm feeling coupled with some beautiful visionary experiences. Breaking through ruins this for SWIM.
 
Phlux- said:
awesome report - i dig em low doses too.
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Thanks, some of my best journey's are on low-doses, especially in the wild back country.

Although "low" is a relative term, its still enough to cause some serious hallucinations and detachment. Not low enough to cause that "unsettling" feeling.
 
burnt said:
SWIM does not like high doses when smoked. SWIM can never remember what happens and its too confusing and sudden. SWIM can't gain much from high doses of dmt when smoking. Its different with oral. With oral doses a higher end dose is very nice for an intense introspective trip. SWIM prefers to smoke dmt when SWIM feels like getting a nice psychedelic warm feeling coupled with some beautiful visionary experiences. Breaking through ruins this for SWIM.
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I have to second that. SWIM does not like high doses smoked either. It's difficult to navigate. You get little out of it that's of any real use. When a large dose is smoked, you're thrown right in the middle of a psychedelic swarm and it's almost impossible to focus on anything of personal value. It's like looking into the mind of god. It's mind boggling, and you will never completely understand it because it's beyond the capabilities of the human mind to comprehend. It's just too much information at once.

When taken orally or sublingually, this is not the case. You enter the psychedelic state at a more natural speed and you can make much more use of the psychedelic experience that way.

I think 5-MeO-DMT is even worse that DMT when a large dose is smoked. It hits you even faster and practically disables your mind by flooding it with psychedelic information at such a speed that you can make absolutely no sense of it. But when taken sublingually, you can get a lot out of the experience.

Getting hit really fast and really hard with a psychedelic really puts you off guard and seems to really scramble your thoughts. SWIM cannot make use of it. It's fun from time to time, but after a while SWIM gets tired of it and prefers the slower duration of sublingual or oral use.

Smoking a large dose is almost like attempting to listen to a whole novel being read so fast that it's done in 5 minutes. At such a speed, you won't remember most of the story, you won't understand a lot of it, so what's the point of it?
 
as for your question of 'whats the point', ron, maybe indeed in large doses one doesnt get an obvious coherent personal teaching or message, but I think unconsciously there is some big benefit, at least for SWIM, after a large dose.. It feels like he had a soul reset, as if the shock of Hyperspace gives his soul a remembrance of how there's more to life, of how the Other Side could be, of how he shouldnt get trapped in daily routines, and this gives him an inner shine that lasts for days..

Of course, SWIM agrees that he can work better with it orally in some way, but he doesnt compare them in the sense of putting in a priority list, he feels like there is a time for each one and all these different routes have their own space..

BTW, ron, did you ever try smoking high dmt dose during a mushroom trip? Its SWIM's favourite combination, and it makes the dmt trip much more easy to integrate (not to mention its so amazingly beautiful).. In fact, now he's actually preffering to always hold his smoked dmt trips for when he takes at least a small dose of mushrooms
 
endlessness said:
BTW, ron, did you ever try smoking high dmt dose during a mushroom trip? Its SWIM's favourite combination, and it makes the dmt trip much more easy to integrate (not to mention its so amazingly beautiful).. In fact, now he's actually preffering to always hold his smoked dmt trips for when he takes at least a small dose of mushrooms
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No, SWIM hasn't grown mushrooms in many years. SWIM got interested in DMT after he stopped growing mushrooms. He'll try this combination someday in the future for sure.

He still has a few mushrooms kept frozen and lots of spore prints he's saved from various genetic alterations he's done to the different mushroom species he's grown. For example, he has a spore print from a completely white Psilocybe cubensis strain he developed years ago so the cops wouldn't know it was Psilocybe cubensis, another from a super potent Psilocybe cyanescens strain that won't turn blue that's also fast growing, and many many more, most of them are nothing special though.

These spore prints are kept away for the future when SWIM no longer has children in the house. The thought of SWIM growing mushrooms with the kids around just doesn't feel like a good thing to do. They will be very curious about them.
 
endlessness said:
SWIM's gonna take his fav combo (shrooms and smoke dmt) next week, cant wait :)
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My friend is really interested in trying this, he was wondering if when combining the two it is best to have a large dose of mushrooms, or is a mild dose sufficient to create the desired combined effect? Do the shrooms act as a catalyst of sorts for the spice?

What do you think it is about the shroom experience that works so well with spice?
 
I actaully really really enjoy medium doses of smoked DMT..I usually take it with a caapi extract in changa as well though..

I have never ever experienced disphoria from a medium or low dose of DMT..I guess that if one is expecting a breakthrough and doesnt get it that may be dissapointed and feel disphoric..

I always smoke enough to at least have some complex visuals though and experience a great euphoria and empathic/spiritual state that lasts 10-15 minutes..always in a changa mix

Either that I shoot for a breakthrough..but even at mid level doses I still find with closed eyes there is a sort of dislocation from reality and another inner one opens up..but I can open my eyes at any point and it will fade..
 
I have never tried DMT with psilocin(4-ho-DMT)..but I have smoked it once with 5-ho-DMT..a real low dose of DMT..and both seems greatly potentiated..it was quite intense. like a whole new tryptamine actaully.
 
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endlessness said:
SWIM's gonna take his fav combo (shrooms and smoke dmt) next week, cant wait :)
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My friend is really interested in trying this, he was wondering if when combining the two it is best to have a large dose of mushrooms, or is a mild dose sufficient to create the desired combined effect? Do the shrooms act as a catalyst of sorts for the spice?

What do you think it is about the shroom experience that works so well with spice?
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any mushroom dose mixed with spice is already good.. low doses give this extra clarity to it, mid doses it gets VERY beautiful and high doses are undescribably deep. I would say try the different doses at different times..

Its as if the shroom are like a perfect platform from where you launch, you wont so much of the 'shock' when going from straight reality to hyperspace, it is smoother, so you can since the beginning pay more attention and appreciate. Also the visuals seem to move slower and one can go deep inside them with more details and less haste.. The comedown is beautiful too and one still has the mental opening from mushrooms to incorporate better the experience after the dmt peak is gone

I dont know why exactly it works so well, but at least from a subjective point of view, the feeling I have is that, its as if one would think of the molecules as a certain musical note.. and then it feels like the relationship between both substances works harmoniously, or if we think of them as numbers then its as if the relation between the 'mushroom number' and the 'dmt number' is some elegant simple ratio, or if we think of it spacially, its as if the 'edges' fit in perfectly, or like two added colours that match good and together form a third nice color (like blue and yellow making green), etc :)
 
Im very fond of medium and low dose trips outside somewhere especially in the woods during the day... Its beautiful and extremely refreshing.. Low doses of dmt in the woods makes me feel like i'm on shrooms. Once i do more that aspect remains there only with much much more pronounced visualls. I cant imagine doing this on top of a shroom trip, much less a high dose, it would be just...wow
 
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