Getting really frustrated..

[cecil_cbr]

I am about to give up soon, because I cant seem to figure this out. So my main problem is that I cant seem to feel hardly anything when I smoke. I first started out with the vapor genie, but after some failed trials I read up on some stuff and decided that I needed more screens to prevent the dmt from melting straight away and getting wasted. After that didn't work, I found out I needed a torch lighter which would be much more effected for smoking. After that failed, I decided to buy some copper mesh and use that as a screen but that didn't help either. I figured the best route was to just make some changa because that seemed fail proof, but no matter how many hits in a row I took it didn't do a damn thing..

I've loaded up over 100 mg of straight dmt in the vg, loaded a changa bowl that was filled to the brim (about as much as I could fit in there), and puffed up to 5 straight hits in a row until my lungs couldn't take it anymore, but all I feel are minor effects that produce very minimal visions and bring me back to baseline within 60 seconds. What am I doing wrong? I seriously cannot figure this out, I cant load more because it will just get wasted. I have a glass vapor genie on the way, but will this be any better? I am getting extremely frustrated. Anyone else have this problem? How did you find a solution?

 

[olympus mon]

What type of pipe do you use for your changa?
How did you make it?

 

[fry]

the smoke that the spice provides is or should be quite smooth, if its killing your lungs maybe your burning it up making it harsh.

my first many attempts were completed failures but I do think it was bunk ACRB because I could never get much more that an uncomfortable buzz.

last night I officially Brooke through, don't give up, you won't regret it.

 

[cecil_cbr]

I used my vapor genie for the changa as well. Dissolved 1 gram dmt in some acetone then added 1 gram herbal mixture (mullein leaf, caapi leaf, and spearmint) for a 1:1 ratio. First few hits are smooth, but maybe im just getting pure hot air after its gone which is why it starts to burn my lungs a little, not sure. But it definitely seems like the bowl is gone after I've hit it 4 or 5 times in a row..

 

[acacian]

have you tried smoking changa/enchanted leaf from a bong? always delivers for me

if you extracted from ACRB it is likely that there is a large ratio of nmt in there... remember that the ratio of nmt to dmt with confusa is usually around 1:1 .. so a 1:1 changa mix with the combination of alkaloids will be significantly "weaker" compared to a 1:1 mix with purer dmt extracts.. it will be like 0.5 dmt and 0.5 nmt:1 of herb .. if that makes sense.

I have fairly limited experience with acacia confusa - though I have found so far it needs bigger doses if dealing with the multi alkaloid goo.. same goes for other acacia extracts with less pure alk profiles.. i've noticed a lot of people in aus using acacia extracts vape larger amounts than 50mg. it all depends on the plant

the nmt certainly gives flavour to the headspace but it will not "break you through" as dmt will.. so you would probably get better results by doing say a 2:1 mix .. this may at first seem excessive, though remember that half of the alkaloids are not dmt - this will likely result in much "deeper" breakthroughs though taking into consideration the addition of nmt. if anyone feels that this is unsafe advice please let me know.. i feel that the doseages for acacia extracts vary quite a lot as they are not all pure dmt

[EDIT] I must stress that the ratio of nmt to dmt also depends on the extraction techniques.. freeze precipitation often results in much larger dmt to nmt ratio ...as nmt takes some time to crystalise, I would assume that the fluffy white crystal extracts are mostly just dmt. evap will have all of both and more likely be around 1:1

 

[MrInvisible]

Use a slim small glass bong...a thick layer of joint/cig ash, then a thin layer of bud then dmt, followed by a top layer of bud...light it gently as not to burn the dmt,let the weed do the work... just did a 0.06 thats some funky stuff man i got 3.5g from 300g of mhrb :thumb_up:

 

[olympus mon]

Use a slim small glass bong...a thick layer of joint/cig ash, then a thin layer of bud then dmt, followed by a top layer of bud...light it gently as not to burn the dmt,let the weed do the work... just did a 0.06 thats some funky stuff man i got 3.5g from 300g of mhrb :thumb_up:

Marijuana can drastically effect your DMT experience both negatively and positively. Use precaution when mixing any psychoactive substances.

 

[universecannon]

how long are you holding in your hits?

 

[cecil_cbr]

I know about mixing weed with just about anything, it goes great with alcohol imo but sometimes it can give me extreme anxiety and tension or bad vasoconstriction/paranoia when I mix it with other things.

I'm definitely holding in my hits long enough, I hold it for 10-15 sec or until I cant take it any longer. Ill try the bong out I guess, but wouldn't the gvg be a lot better than a bong? Guess we'll see

 

[olympus mon]

cbr Ill try the bong out I guess, but wouldn't the gvg be a lot better than a bong? Guess we'll see

NO way Jose'. Not by a long shot. Rip a thick heavy cloud in a bong and tell me what YOU think.

When I used my GVG for changa, only once because it wasn't nearly ass effective as a bong or even a bubbler, it felt like he DMT vaporized before the harmalas. I didn't feel the harmalas as much as when smoking the same changa in a bong or a pipe.

IME and IMO, Changa in a 12 inch bong is without a doubt the strongest and most superior method to smaoke DMT period.

 

[Infinite I]

Use a slim small glass bong...a thick layer of joint/cig ash, then a thin layer of bud then dmt, followed by a top layer of bud...light it gently as not to burn the dmt,let the weed do the work... just did a 0.06 thats some funky stuff man i got 3.5g from 300g of mhrb :thumb_up:

Marijuana can drastically effect your DMT experience both negatively and positively. Use precaution when mixing any psychoactive substances.

Totally agree dont use weed it will colour the experience, also was going to say but others have said already try a bong I always used to smoke dmt in a bong and it always worked!

 

[acacian]

cbr Ill try the bong out I guess, but wouldn't the gvg be a lot better than a bong? Guess we'll see

NO way Jose'. Not by a long shot. Rip a thick heavy cloud in a bong and tell me what YOU think.

When I used my GVG for changa, only once because it wasn't nearly ass effective as a bong or even a bubbler, it felt like he DMT vaporized before the harmalas. I didn't feel the harmalas as much as when smoking the same changa in a bong or a pipe.

IME and IMO, Changa in a 12 inch bong is without a doubt the strongest and most superior method to smaoke DMT period.

second this ^

when I smoke dmt with the aim of breaking through, I prefer not having to take multiple hits to get there- this is because I find that when I'm already deep in trance from the first hit, I don't want to have to worry about operating a vaporiser..its too hard to concentrate at that point.

I prefer just packing a cone of enchanted leaf/changa/dmt ash sandwich and ripping it in one go through the bong. I have not used GVG though I find a bong far more efficient than the machine and I think it will always be my preferred route of administration. my most powerful experiences have always come from the bong..

[EDIT] I will add that weed has quite a negative impact in my dmt experiences too. the two do not synergise well for me. the presence of weed seems to push me towards second guessing during the experience.. something that can have extremely frightening results at times. dmt on its own is much smoother in my experience

 

[cecil_cbr]

Awesome, thanks for the replies. Kinda had the impression that everyone on here preferred the gvg, but I'm also a hardhead when it comes to anything so the bong route should have been my first selection when I first started out, not sure why I didn't just do that.

Well, on to the headshop again I guess to drop some more cash, haha. I'm not gonna give up though I've invested way too much time and effort on this, I've been waiting way too long to actually see what dmt is all about

 

[olympus mon]

Awesome, thanks for the replies. Kinda had the impression that everyone on here preferred the gvg, but I'm also a hardhead when it comes to anything so the bong route should have been my first selection when I first started out, not sure why I didn't just do that.

Well, on to the headshop again I guess to drop some more cash, haha. I'm not gonna give up though I've invested way too much time and effort on this, I've been waiting way too long to actually see what dmt is all about

No your correct the GVG is very popular here indeed for freebase vaper's but Id bet the ratio of people who retire their GVG for the changa bong is high onces they try it.

I often wonder why anyone even uses freebase these days. I dont see an advantage it has. Changa bongs are full proof, a deeper longer journey, and a slower more comfortable on-set. I also can navigate through the exp much more so than freebase. But to each there own but you will never see me recommend a GVG to anyone having trouble breaking through.

 

[MorningWoods]

Use a slim small glass bong...a thick layer of joint/cig ash, then a thin layer of bud then dmt, followed by a top layer of bud...light it gently as not to burn the dmt,let the weed do the work... just did a 0.06 thats some funky stuff man i got 3.5g from 300g of mhrb :thumb_up:

You don't need the bottom layer of weed IMO, it will only make the hit harsher and harder to hold in.

This is what I do personally.

I put ash on top of the bottom screen > put the DMT on top of the ash(40mg or 80mg) > add a small amount of bud, just enough to almost completely cover the DMT > another screen, bent in the same way as the original screen

Use a basic bic lighter (I used a jet lighter once and it only burnt the dmt, I got a very minor hit), and get as large of a hit as you can hold. This is important. Once you take the hit, hold it in. Try taking gasps, like you are surprised, it will help to get the smoke as deep into your lungs as possible. If you did it correctly, you should already feel your consciousness shifting.

Repeat this 2 more times and have fun in the aether.

 

[olympus mon]

Again, to each there own but I highly do NOT suggest mixing weed and DMT. Even people that love cannabis more times than not do not enjoy this combo. So if someone is new to DMT, IMO this is a horrible idea to mix the 2.
But yes your correct you can just use ash as well instead a smoking blend or both on the first layer but ash only can clog the bowl IME's. Just need something to absorb and catch the melted DMT.

 

[joedirt]

I often wonder why anyone even uses freebase these days. I dont see an advantage it has. Changa bongs are full proof, a deeper longer journey, and a slower more comfortable on-set. I also can navigate through the exp much more so than freebase. But to each there own but you will never see me recommend a GVG to anyone having trouble breaking through.

I completely agree.

I don't do DMT much at all any more. Very very rare.
But when I do. I do it as CHANGA from a BONG.


In some way's I almost consider pure freebase DMT as a waste, but as oly noted, to each their own.

BTW Oly have you ever noticed much difference in change created with rue alkaloids over cappi alkaloids?

 

[universecannon]

After using changa for a few years and forgetting about freebase I was curious and did some side by side comparisons using 10x caapi changa alongside white dmt freebase. Even at lower doses, every single time the changa was just head and shoulders above the freebase..Along with being way easier to smoke and less sketchy looking to have in the hosue, it was also more in tune feeling, tangible, deep, and the epiphanies/noetic content was way more profound

I never bother taking dmt without harmalas present anymore. They're just two essential sides of the same hyperdimensional coin for me.



and +1 for the changabong

..The GVG is nice with freebase, especially in certain living circumstances... and great for its portability. But for changa i would take my bong any day

 

[olympus mon]

BTW Oly have you ever noticed much difference in change created with rue alkaloids over cappi alkaloids?

I haven't no, but every single journey is so vastly different that it makes it hard to. O personally haven't made my changa with rue but IH has and gives me some to take for a test ride. he usually enriches Caapi leaf with rue extracted harmalas.

 

[cecil_cbr]

Ok so I have some rue extract, and I was hoping to mix it in with my changa. I already mixed my herbal blend with the dmt, so can I dump this back in some acetone and mix in the rue extract? I used 1 gram dmt, so should I use 1 gram extract as well?

I am putting faith in this, as I just did a pharmahuasca dose a few weeks ago. 400 mg caapi extract & 200 mg freebase dmt and felt hardly anything but intense negative emotions and fear. No visions, and my body felt heavy and uncomfortable the whole time. I mean seriously, am I gonna have to take like 500 mg dmt just to trip? Maybe something is refusing to let me experience this, but I just bought my bong so we will see if that works.