goo not dissolving in solvent

[subaeroux]

When trying to dissolve goo which is sticking to glass with heated up shellite/naptha, why won't it dissolve. It just stays stuck to the glass no matter how much it is scraped and attempted to be dissolved into the solvent. It simply wont dissolve? Why could this be?

 

[daspaismusflo]

Yep, that happens when recrystallizing in hot/warm naphtha. Just stir it for a minute make sure all that can dissolve will dissolve and all the white spice will pretty much be in the naphtha which you can freeze precip and leaf the goo behind.

What is the goo? A mix of Dmt-n-oxide and n-methyltyptamine along with possibly some plant oils. You can dry any remaing naphtha residue and just dissolve in acetone on to some leaf... it makes for great leaf! best leaf I ever smoked was that yellow/orange goop, love the oxides and NMT just as much as pure white spice!

:thumb_up:

 

[TGO]

What is the goo? A mix of Dmt-n-oxide and n-methyltyptamine along with possibly some plant oils. You can dry any remaing naphtha residue and just dissolve in acetone on to some leaf...

I don't want to sound a bit harsh but...

How can you know what is in the spice? Subaeroux didn't even mention what plant he/she extracted from, or what tek was utilized. Assuming what is in spice or the remaining goo that hasn't been properly analyzed spreads misinformation.

So, DMT is likely present as that is the purpose of the extraction.

DMT n-oxide? No way of knowing if that is there or not.

Plant fats and oils? Also likely, but again, speaking in absolutes gets us nowhere.

There could also be leftover base or plant matter (lye or whatever was used, hard to know when no details were given) so instructing someone to just redissolve in acetone and evaporate it onto some leaf could be misleading or even dangerous. If the extraction was done very carefully, then little to no lye should be leftover. But it still happens and that is why we need to be careful.

What are the current views, facts and theories on DMT-N-OXIDE? - Old thread, but useful.

 

[daspaismusflo]

I spoke with the assumption that subaeroux knew for certain it was not contaminated, I took that assumption due to the fact that subaeroux described the goo as tenacious on the bowl and sticky which is characteristic of psychoactive goo and not watery lye water.

I know this is the welcome area but if we had to make a caution about contamination every time we talk about spice production it would be quite excessive and monotonous. I am sure most people who have at least got to the point of cleaning up their spice actually know what contamination is by virtue of reading the teks and are careful to avoid it... therefor it I gave what advice I could from my experience with the relatively well grounded assumption that subaeroux did not contaminate his products and/or services.

Also, it wouldn't make sense for DMT to be in the goo as you suggest because the DMT would dissolve in to the heated naphtha which is why I suggested the other alkaloids that are found in extraction. Whether or not DMT-n-oxide is likely I am not sure of but the amount I hear people speaking of it as being likely on this forum is enough for me to suggest that it may as well be.

I only spoke from my experience and my experience is that the orange/yellow goo that doesn't dissolve is most certainly active and therefor one can deduce from that it must be either of the other psychoactive alkaloids from the plant matter extracted from.

 

[TGO]

Like I said, making assumptions is a dangerous game. You are also implying that being safe every time isn't necessary. This site is about harm reduction. Always. That is where I am coming from.

It is hard to say anything at all about this situation because, as I mentioned, subaeroux gave no indication as to how he/she arrived with partially dissolved goo in Naphtha. For the most part, your assumptions would be correct, but that isn't what I am saying. (Note: when I said DMT is present I meant in the substance that subaeroux had before it was redissolved into naphtha. The DMT, if any was present, would of course move into the Naphtha at that point).

What I am saying is that we should have subaeroux explain the process that he/she went through to get to this point in order to make accurate assessments.

 

[DoingKermit]

Hi subaeroux,

I am also curious as to what your extraction methods were to acquire your goo. The more info you give us, the more we can help. If you do have normal psychedelic goo extracted from a decent plant source, then maybe try a stronger solvent like acetone if you can get it. I find it dissolves normal crystals with much more ease than naphtha.

 

[daspaismusflo]

I get it, so all I had to do to stop all of this meandering nonsense is to put a disclaimer before my post, something like: "Make sure it is not contaminated product, and so when you find out with 100% absolute certainty without any removable doubt that it is not contaminated with your lye soup then follow my advice"

Great tip, I'll remember that one. Sure are making this a safer place gr8fulded :thumb_up:

Hi subaeroux,

I am also curious as to what your extraction methods were to acquire your goo. The more info you give us, the more we can help. If you do have normal psychedelic goo extracted from a decent plant source, then maybe try a stronger solvent like acetone if you can get it. I find it dissolves normal crystals with much more ease than naphtha.

The guy is trying to recrystallize with naphtha... Dissolving the goo in acetone would result in the white spice being mixed with the goo which is why I already suggested separating the goo with naphtha and then using acetone.

 

[Talkswithtrees]

Ime some things simply won't dissolve in naphtha or will appear to but crash out once the solvent cools down slightly (once its out of the water bath) and will just stick to the glass. Simply means its not soluble and if youre re crystalizing for ultra pure white fluffy snow you probably dont want it anyway (which Im assuming is the case because it sounds like youre trying to perform a recrystallization). I say that bc if youre indeed re-xing you probably dont want full spectrum spice. What plant are you extracting? What temp is your solvent when recrystallizing? What tek did you use? Sometimes my later pulls (with acacia confusa) tend to have a brown tar like substance that refuses to dissolve even in acetone (in fact the only thing that gets it seems to be ethanol). It is my opinion these are things you dont want. However if you have your mind set on trying to get every last milligram (as it should be, waste not want not) then Id try to take daspaismusflo and doingkermit's advice and try to dissole in acetone but I would convert it with fasa to clean it up first (then refreebasing w sodium carb and repulling with a less selective solent, ie ipa acetone or etoh). Also did you heat your pulls? A few times base soup got suspended in my naphtha bc I got my solvent too hot when doing pulls (you dont want this!). So it may just be base soup that got carried over in which case you definitely dont want to smoalk it. Or it could be full spectrum alkaloids (as daspaismusflo suggested) that your naptha doesnt like (in which case dissolve in acetone and use fasa conversion which would neutralize possible lye contams as well). Or it could be plant gums that you dont want either. How much goo is there? Sorry for all the assumptions but without more info thats the best I got.

Also its worth mentioning that the full spectrum spice can be very valuable as well. I like daspaismusflo am a huge fan of it as well and I like to work with it on its own.

 

[subaeroux]

lextek/dmthandbook was the tek.

acuminata acacia and acacia floribunda.

 

[DoingKermit]

I get it, so all I had to do to stop all of this meandering nonsense is to put a disclaimer before my post, something like: "Make sure it is not contaminated product, and so when you find out with 100% absolute certainty without any removable doubt that it is not contaminated with your lye soup then follow my advice"

Great tip, I'll remember that one. Sure are making this a safer place gr8fulded :thumb_up:

Hi subaeroux,

I am also curious as to what your extraction methods were to acquire your goo. The more info you give us, the more we can help. If you do have normal psychedelic goo extracted from a decent plant source, then maybe try a stronger solvent like acetone if you can get it. I find it dissolves normal crystals with much more ease than naphtha.

The guy is trying to recrystallize with naphtha... Dissolving the goo in acetone would result in the white spice being mixed with the goo which is why I already suggested separating the goo with naphtha and then using acetone.

I was under the impression subaeroux was attempting to make changa. My apologies.

 

[Talkswithtrees]

It seems very possible you could have full spectrum in that goo. Can you check the ph of said goo? If youre recrystalizing the fact that it just smears around is a good indication. -Ime- that all the dmt is solved. If you can then check the ph. If you cant I recommend back salting and repulling. Then re-xing. If you no has fumaric acid (for fasa) then... Dissolve in vinegar, filter (not strictly necessary bc the non actives will probably stick to the glass), evaporate, mix with an excess of sodium carbonate (easy to make with baking soda and a stove), add *JUST ENOUGH* water to make a paste, dry your paste (spread it out on a dish so itll dry faster), powder the paste, pull with acetone, re-x with naphtha, and if you wanna keep the full spectrum for changa then dissolve it in ethanol and evap on some leaves.
If you dont want the full spectrum (shame on you) then once youve made your paste you can just pull it with naphtha.
Hope that helps.

 

[BongWizard]

lextek/dmthandbook was the tek.

acuminata acacia and acacia floribunda.

I'm assuming you're using bark (though a acuminata phylodes contain traces of DMT at the right time of year, if I remember correctly). Most of the insoluble goo will be plant fats (floribunda is quite fatty). Do a mini a/b and you will get clean white alks.