Greetings everyone

[logistics]

Greetings everyone, I’d like to start off saying how pleasantly surprised I was once I started actually getting involved with the forum. Even from just an introductory glance it seems like there is a great community of people here; there's definitely a different vibe to this community compared to most other forums. Oh, and the nickname logistics comes from tending to be the planner and “dad” of my group of friends whenever we’re out doing something. :surprised

Anyway, my journey to DMT and the forum have been a culmination of sorts. I have been a curious person my whole life, and ever since I was about 13 that curiosity expanded into the realm of mind-altering experiences. I’ll spare the details of my experiences from then up to now, but I have been interested and participating in extreme sports, meditation, lucid dreaming, sensory deprivation, and of course psychedelics to attain these experiences.

For a long time now I have been searching for an experience of complete ego death, and haven’t been able to reach that state with other psychedelics. DMT seems to be able to provide this relatively consistently, so I figured I would give it a try.

After lurking on the forum for a few months as a guest, I am finally prepared to do an extraction. I do have a question though; if I were to use Cyb’s Hybrid ATB Salt Tek, could I combine all the nps pulls into one evap dish and forgo a freeze precipitation? I ask only because I wouldn’t have access to a freezer for the 12+ hours needed for that step.

Thank you in advance for the assistance, I look forward to contributing and learning along with the rest of everyone here.

 

[DranoTheCat]

Hi Logistics! I am new here, too :3

I can tell you that for me, a breakthrough dose of DMT always provides ego death. It is very exciting, but can also be quite the experience. It is always very intense.

I'm sorry that I don't feel very qualified to answer your question, however I hope some elders of the site will step in.

Looking forward to getting to know you!

 

[cyb]

I do have a question though; if I were to use Cyb’s Hybrid ATB Salt Tek, could I combine all the nps pulls into one evap dish and forgo a freeze precipitation? I ask only because I wouldn’t have access to a freezer for the 12+ hours needed for that step.

Welcome to the Nex.

If you have no freezer...Yes you can combine all pulls and evaporate fully to the air (aided with a cold fan is best)...this will leave coloured crystals...if you are using ACRB you may not get xtals but a Gooey mess (very powerful)...
Is suggest using 30-50ml of solvent for your pulls...that way you won't end up with a huge amount of solvent to evap.
Good Luck.

 

[logistics]

Hi Drano!

That's very encouraging to hear. I am definitely excited for my first breakthrough to say the least.

And no worries about the tek, I don't want to rush into anything here.

 

[logistics]

Hey Cyb,

I would be using ACRB...just curious, would that goo be avoided with a Naptha defat at the acidification stage? Or is the goo a product of other alkaloids that are left when naptha evaporates but not when DMT is freeze precipitated?

I have nothing against "the goo" , just wondering on a basic chemistry level.

Thanks so much for replying!

 

[cyb]

I would be using ACRB...just curious, would that goo be avoided with a Naptha defat at the acidification stage? Or is the goo a product of other alkaloids that are left when naptha evaporates but not when DMT is freeze precipitated?

The Goo is a product of NMT/DMT and other stuff onboard the ACRB. The NMT hinders the crystallisation process
ACRB is not particulary stable and can vary wildly dependant on where it was harvested and at what time and from what country etc. ... Many many variables.
You can only work with what you have.

My advice would be to perform a 'mini A/B' on your combined pulls before you go for the Evap.

That means...combine all your pulls...
Then pour the solvent into acidic water (vinegar/citric..whatever) and shake/mix together...
Your spice will migrate from the solvent over to the acidic water...
decant the solvent away (you can reuse this later so don't throw it)...
Add base (lye) to your acidic water (this will raise the pH to 12+...thereby freebasing the spice within...
Then use the solvent to pull again from the now alkaline water.
Combine your pulls and evap...

The mini A/B step should clean your product of oils and some NMT and leave a cleaner outcome.

 

[logistics]

My advice would be to perform a 'mini A/B' on your combined pulls before you go for the Evap...

...The mini A/B step should clean your product of oils and some NMT and leave a cleaner outcome.

Very interesting stuff, I was considering a mini a/b but the popular tek for that with ACRB used 100g. I'm likely starting with a 50g run and I wasn't sure about the scaling. But this is pretty well spelled out Cyb. I'll be sure to update this with a final product.

Thanks again

 

[cyb]

Very interesting stuff, I was considering a mini a/b but the popular tek for that with ACRB used 100g. I'm likely starting with a 50g run and I wasn't sure about the scaling. But this is pretty well spelled out Cyb. I'll be sure to update this with a final product.

EW's write up is just my tek + mini A/B.
50 or 100g would use the same ingredients...just follow mine for 50g and throw in the mini A/B at the end..all will be well

Onwards

 

[logistics]

Just a quick update, I've finally got around to running a computer simulation of my first extraction. Finished all the nps pulls, waiting until tomorrow to run the mini a/b. All is going well so far, and the nps is tinted yellow...looks very similar to lemon lime gatorade actually. For anyone considering a hybrid tek like Cyb's, make sure you set aside a considerable amount of time to go through the procedure. I might just be a slow worker, but up to this point it has taken 8 hours. Most of the time is spent waiting for the solvent layer to separate during the pulling step - 5 solvent pulls, each having to mix and separate 4 times, definitely takes longer to perform than to read on the nexus:lol:

 

[logistics]

Another update on this extraction. I was actually able to use a freezer to attempt a freeze precipitation. It didn't seem to matter though, as no crystals formed at all. After drying there was practically nothing to scrape from the dish, so I just evaporated all of my solvent pulls in the dish. This left me with 55mg of orange goo. Despite the low yield this turned out to be active goo.

As I said in previous posts, I ran the hybrid salt tek along with a mini a/b on 50g of ACRB. Luckily I saved the "waste" naphtha from the beginning stage of the mini a/b. I'm evaporating this now to try and see where all the alkaloids went:?

I'm not extremely disappointed though, because throughout the extraction I was kind of messy at times, and I also created some emulsions that never wound up clearing (even with heat). I also ran a defat at the very beginning of the extraction, which to my surprise the naphtha had pulled a decent amount of bark material into its non-polar layer. This was very hard to pipette out of the extraction vessel, so all subsequent steps were conducted with probably 10-15mL naphtha in the extraction vessel. For my next extraction, I'll forego the initial defat, do a few freeze/thaw cycles at the acidification stage, and be far more gentle in doing the naphtha pulls to avoid emulsion.

As an aside, I found it very difficult to scrape the goo from the evap dish. I used a box cutter razor blade. I might consider using a more flexible plastic razor/spudger in the future.