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Hi all, I am from South Africa and am lost with regards to finding info on which local plants have a high enough concentration of DMT to make extraction viable.

Any help will be much appreciated.
 
Hi all, I am from South Africa and am lost with regards to finding info on which local plants have a high enough concentration of DMT to make extraction viable.

Any help will be much appreciated.
Hi, welcome!

There are definitely active acacias in your country. Scrolling down the forum menu, you'll find both the Collaborative Research Project and The Ethnobotanical Garden where there are pointers on things like acacia species.

Both the search function and the wiki should help you with homing in on more region-specific ethnobotanical information. Should any further, more specific questions which arise - ask away!
 
Here's a hint: it's best to start educating yourselves about botanical resources for your region, as well as looking into obtaining seeds for cultivation of active species if at all possible.

Awareness of sustainable harvesting practices is also crucial, since indiscriminate removal of trunk bark or roots will lead to the premature death of the tree. Many species have active phyllodes which sometimes even just drop off the tree for collection.

Additionally, I'll soon be adding a list of Delosperma species in which DMT has been detected.
 
As mentioned earlier, no South African trees — that we know of — have significant quantities of DMT. I've checked. :)
Hi, welcome.

It would be very helpful to have a list of inactive or weakly active acacias, particularly with figures or qualitative descriptions, which could help to save people some trouble.

Of course, it's easy to imagine that any active acacias in SA would remain a closely-guarded secret - and quite understandably so. It would be desirable to avoid the tragedy of reckless over-harvesting that has been seen in Australia.

This all points to cultivation being the most viable way forward, whether acacia, mimosa or some of the aizoaceous species.
 
Hi, welcome.

It would be very helpful to have a list of inactive or weakly active acacias, particularly with figures or qualitative descriptions, which could help to save people some trouble.

Of course, it's easy to imagine that any active acacias in SA would remain a closely-guarded secret - and quite understandably so. It would be desirable to avoid the tragedy of reckless over-harvesting that has been seen in Australia.

This all points to cultivation being the most viable way forward, whether acacia, mimosa or some of the aizoaceous species.
Astute point, didn't think of that at all.
 
Greetings from SA as well! I have tried an extraction from Vachellia sieberiana twice with mixed results. Both yielded miniscule amounts, and I am still working on getting some form of analysis done (either by instrument or diy TLC). I am currently testing extractions on Acacia longifolia and pycnantha. Will update once I am finished.
 
Greetings from SA as well! I have tried an extraction from Vachellia sieberiana twice with mixed results. Both yielded miniscule amounts, and I am still working on getting some form of analysis done (either by instrument or diy TLC). I am currently testing extractions on Acacia longifolia and pycnantha. Will update once I am finished.

Hi from a fellow countryman.(Capetonian)
Might want to look at Nilotica subsp. Kraussiana, when I did a search for seeds, a lot of the vendors/nursery's were up north from me, Gauteng area.

What stationary phase are you using for the TLC plates?
I've had no luck getting ground perlite or silicon cat litter to stick to the glass slides using investment plaster-of-paris for the binder..
 
Here's a hint: it's best to start educating yourselves about botanical resources for your region, as well as looking into obtaining seeds for cultivation of active species if at all possible.

Awareness of sustainable harvesting practices is also crucial, since indiscriminate removal of trunk bark or roots will lead to the premature death of the tree. Many species have active phyllodes which sometimes even just drop off the tree for collection.

Additionally, I'll soon be adding a list of Delosperma species in which DMT has been detected.
Sorry, life got in the way of this. Still have the data lined up if no-one's beaten me to it at the delosperma thread.
 
I think the acacias in South Africa really need more research, but there do seem to be some good potential candidates. I’d say the likelyhood of there not being a consistent DMT source there is very low. There’s plenty over here in Australia, and the majority were discovered by underground researchers and continue to be discovered today. My point being that, just because they aren’t published doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

Also some Australian species grow there, such as Acacia cyclops, longifolia and pycnantha.. cyclops and pycnantha now with confirmed +ve findings (two with cyclops and one very recent one with pycnantha). No idea if the longifolia there is the active variety.

Regarding African Acacias, @nen888 wrote:

here is a list of African & middle-eastern Tryptamine Acacias(which will hopefully grow over the next few years..)

A. albida (Ana Tree, Winter Thorn) DMT leaf, bark [2][1]; DMT-like bioassays in Israel [dmt-nexus]
A. giraffae (synon.A. haematoxylon x erioloba) DMT in leaf [5]
A. horrida (Cape Gum, 'Dev-Babul' ) [4]
A. karoo (Sweet Thorn) tryptamines [4]
A. laeta DMT, in the leaf[6]
A. mellifera DMT, in the leaf[4][1]; alkaloid +ve 2 tests [14]; triterpinoids.
A. nilotica (Gum Arabic Tree) DMT, in the leaf[2][4][1] tentative DMT,5meoDMT[10], tryptamine and 'harmane derivatives'[11]
A. nilotica subsp. adstringens reported DMT [4][12]
A. nubica DMT in leaf [9]; synon. with A. oerfota (A. nubica subsp oerfota) - NMT [4]
A. polyacantha DMT in leaf [4][8][9]
A. senegal DMT in bark & leaf [9][2][1][6], NMT, other tryptamines [4] DMT in plant[7]
A. seyal (Red Acacia, holy 'shittim wood' ) DMT [2][1]
A. sieberiana DMT, in the leaf.[6] Ether extracts about 1-7% of the dried leaf mass.[3]
A. tortilis (Umbrella Thorn, also implicated in the Ark of the Covenant) DMT leaf, bark [2]; alkaloid positive [13]
A. xanthophloea ('Fever Tree' ) oral ceremonial & medicinal use (incl. anti-malarial); alkaloids [15]

so that's 14 so far..References:
[1]wiki.magiskamolekyler.org (Swedish)
[2]TIKHAL, Shulgin & Shulgin
[3]Wattle Seed Workshop Proceedings 12 March 2002, Canberra March 2003 RIRDC Publication No 03/024, RIRDC Project No WS012-06
[4]Pharmacuetical Excipients.com =Posted by Niazi in acacia blog
[5] (internal uni. chemistry paper viewed by Nen 1995)
[6]Shaman Australis (either claimed in a thread, or referenced to here elsewhere)
[7] Dr. Duke's Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical Databases
[8] Poland herbarium
[9] Khalil & Elkheir 1975.
[10] Heffter 1996, Trout 1997
[11] Oliver-Bever "Medicinal Plants In Tropical West Africa 1986
[12] Trout 2004
[13] Kubmarawa et al 2007
[14] Lalitha et al. 2010; Rukunga et al 2004.
[15] Nundkumar et al. 2002

..Interestingly, Acacia cyclops is native to Western Australia! Many Australian acacias were planted all over africa (for tannin & timber) and are now naturalized...
 
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