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After adding the naptha to the wine bottle and placing the cap back on, you then must shake or repeatedly turn the bottle over and over in order for the hot naptha to make contact with the black solution and absorb the alkaloids. Make sure your cap is on tight while you do this. A friend had the cap of his bottle come off as he turned it and got lye solution everywhere. A big mess. I wouldn't worry about an emulsion layer at all. If your ph is correct you will not have problems with emulsion layers that won't seperate. The layers will seperate even more quickly once you place the bottle back in the hot water bath. Just shake the shit out of it. :D
 
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[quote:b5f58b1548]Make sure your cap is on tight while you do this[/quote:b5f58b1548] And also make sure that the bottle is solid enough... the mix of lye+hot naphta increase pressure. SWIM prefer to use a plastic bottle and release the cap after each of the first moves to reduce the pression in the bottle. Be really carefull when doing this, lye+hot naphta is quite corrosive !
 
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[quote:ed5e883ba3="Heyoka"] Just shake the shit out of it. :D[/quote:ed5e883ba3] But there written "don't shake for a full 5 minutes" is in't it? Or my translation is wrong?[
 
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From QB's tek: "fill the rest of the boittle with the hot naptha and put the cork or screw-on cap and up-end it don't shake for a full 5 minutes" He means [i:a84bfbbffa]to[/i:a84bfbbffa] upend it, [i:a84bfbbffa]rather than[/i:a84bfbbffa] shake it for five minutes. In other words, gently turn it bottom up then back, bottom up then back for five minutes.
 
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Yeah, please excuse my recommendation that caused confusion. Really though, so long as the ph is high and especially using heat, many foafs shake the shit out of it without problems from emulsions.
 
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Oh! I got 3 more questions. My translation is still bad, so sorry for that. 1) What does it mean "saturated solution of lye (NaOH)"? If I have sodium hydroxide (NaOH) I just can add it to water, or I must do something with it first? 2) Which ammonia I can use? Can I use 5% liquid ammonia, which I can buy in drugstore? 3) And also we dont have here, in Russia VM&P Naphtha, so can I use Petroleum Ether?
 
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[code:1:1d0242e9bc]1) What does it mean "saturated solution of lye (NaOH)"? [/code:1:1d0242e9bc] NAOH dissolved until water is fully staurated (no more NAOH can dissolve in it). But I doubt it is needed, this would mean a huge amount of lye (around 1 kg for one liter) [quote:1d0242e9bc]2) Which ammonia I can use? Can I use 5% liquid ammonia, which I can buy in drugstore? [/quote:1d0242e9bc] If it's only ammonia+water, yes. But it is quite useless to wash with ammonia if you freeze precipitate. [quote:1d0242e9bc]3) And also we dont have here, in Russia VM&P Naphtha, so can I use Petroleum Ether?[/quote:1d0242e9bc] Theorically yes, but Petroleum Ether can also be 'heavy' Petroleum Ether. Better check if there is no residue after having evaporated 100 ml.
 
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1 - He means a lot of lye dissolved in a small amount of water. Do that and then add that to your bark solution. 2 - 5% is okay, just make sure its NON SUDSY. Shake it - there should be no foam. You can concentrate it if you want by partially freezing it and then straining out the water crystals. 3 - Pet ether will work - evaporate some first and make sure it leaves no residue.
 
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[quote:34218d47e1="Noman"]He means a lot of lye dissolved in a small amount of water. Do that and then add that to your bark solution.[/quote:34218d47e1] Thanks for answers. So I must put lye to the clear water, and just after that add it to bark solutions. Right? Can you also tell me proportion (for example: 1 kg lye for 500 ml water) ? And also I want to ask, can I keep this water with lye after that? And which container is better to use for it?
 
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If you plan on keeping a lye solution for any length of time Mr.Anderson use a HDPE plastic container(High Density Polyethylene)if you use glass it will crack and leak eventually.Happened to me in just three weeks.Had a caustic mess all inside my cupboards.
 
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Thanks! [b:8482c5b65a]Can you also tell me proportion? [/b:8482c5b65a] (for example: take 500ml of water add there 500g of lye and after that slowly add this water to root bark solution untill you get PH 13)
 
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Just add lye to your water till the water gets saturated(no more will dissolve and you will see lye at the bottom)Now that you have a saturated solution,slowly add it to your mimosa tea stirring constantly.you will first see it turn grey,keep adding and stirring till you see it all turn black.cjheck it out with PH meter and keep adding til you get t0 13.4PH. if you don't have a PH meter,once it tuned all blackm add about ten% more than what you already put in and you should be OK.I always have good success and I never measure my lye.I use the method I just described to you.
 
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Well... My english is still suck, so I got new questions. Sorry for that. I hope you will help one(?) more time to your friend from Russia. 😉 I have some questions about this tek. "Repeat steps 4 to 6 three more times. Leave the last NP extraction in the jar for a day or two, agitating occasionally to pick up any strays." I must add naptha 3 times to the new bark with lye, or to the old one? I must collect naptha to the 3 different jars? And what does it mean "Leave the last NP extraction in the jar for a day or two, agitating occasionally to pick up any strays" ? How many jars I should have at the end? And which jars I must put to the freezer? Also I have not very good freezer (ice cream there is just like jam), so can I use it, or its impossible? FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE!!! 😉
 
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[quote:60cc6d722f="mr. Anderson"]I must add naptha 3 times to the new bark with lye, or to the old one?[/quote:60cc6d722f] New bark? Old one? You should have one jar with bark and lye/water in it. You add naptha, agitate, and separate the naptha into another jar. Do that three times. Then you add a last bit of naptha and don't separate it for awhile so that over time anything you missed gets picked up. ("strays" - stray alkaloids in the solution) If your freezer isn't cold, you should just evaporate your naptha and do the recrystalization, so you might as well just collect all of your naptha extractions in one jar. Hope that helps. BTW - I wish my Russian were a tenth as good as your English. 😉
 
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Thanks. Also I want to ask, should I use clear water, or it is not importnat? I got PH meter, do you know which PH I need in lye/water solution? And for how long I should leave last NP extraction? And if it is not hard for you, please, write for me about evaporating and recrystalization step by step, and using simple words, so I can understand it easyly. Thanks one more time. 😉
 
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