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Hallucinogens - Mindfuck Potential Question.

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Spiced

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Hi, sorry for the weird title, i don't know how i could've called it differently to express it's content.I hope i posted this in the right section.

My question is, what hallucinogen/entheogen/tryptamine has the most "mindfuck potential" in your opinion, and under what circumstances can they be triggered?

I ask this fairly hard question because i had my first BAD trip ever on acid, i never expected this level of insane mindfuck, i'm now pretty spooked out from acid.

I had an RC amoung the blotters i ate, and i did it at a party with people that i didn't really knew that well, i never did acid amoung people that i didn't knew or trusted very well, and now i know why.I had somekind of a mindfuck on LSD before, but i could handle it, not quite this time.


I think i can sort them like this, from personal experience, but i'll need your opinions to form a better view, cause i never had any real mindfuck like this before, i had some, all on acid, but not this cruel.


1.LSD, this psychedelic has probably got the most potential for an extreme mindfuck, certainly when it's not used under the right circumstances.

2.Maybe Cannabis, it's a mild hallucinogen, but still it shouldn't be underestimated, i'm a daily smoker for a long time now, over 10 years daily, and i know for a fact that it can screw your mind.:?

Well, from here i'm kinda stuck already, mushrooms have only gave me insights, sometimes hard to handle, but in no way it could be concerned as a mindfuck, more as a teacher.

DMT has never actually screwed my mind, but i've red that it's possible, i never experienced it, and i don't believe it's possible to experience it like on LSD, mainly because it won't last for 8 to 10 hours, sometimes more.

Mescaline i have never done, it's pretty expensive here for a decent piece of cacti, but what i've been reading was all very positive, i guess it can be concerned as the most friendly entheogen around, and i would LOVE to experience it's all embracing passion. :d


I ask this question because i do like psychedelics, but i'm kinda spooked about getting mindfucked again, (sorry for using the term "mindfuck" all over again, i don't know another, more appropriate description for it.)- so, i'm trying to avoid another experience like this, actually, i don't think i'll take acid again now, there are better alternatives, without the Russion Roulette factor.

I like to draw lessons from psychedelics, and be left with a feeling of deep love, and understanding i'm not looking for another psychotic, confusing experience ofcoarse.


So please, i'm really looking forward to your contribution and personal insights, it would help me and probably many other people a lot!
Also positive stories are very welcome ofcoarse.
 
DMT King of MIND FUCK its like having sex with a 300pound Gorilla You aint done until the Gorilla is DONE:lol:
I am excited as I am about to get laid again:)
 
I find all substances have there own type of mindfuck

LSD - Panic attacks

Mushrooms - Make you think you're dying

DMT - Confusion beyond confusion, but I've never cried about it.

Mescaline - Did I say head fuck? I meant mind sex :)
 
soulfood said:
I find all substances have there own type of mindfuck

LSD - Panic attacks

Mushrooms - Make you think you're dying

DMT - Confusion beyond confusion, but I've never cried about it.

Mescaline - Did I say head fuck? I meant mind sex :)
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Sums it up nicely.
 
ohayoco said:
These threads should interest you, Spiced:

What psychedelic is most likely to cause bad trips?
Shrooms currently in the lead, closely followed by LSD.

What psychedelic is less likely to cause bad trips?
Mescaline/cactus currently way ahead. :)
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Hey, thanks man, they intrest me a lot indeed!:)
Mescaline is actually the way to go huh?
I'm so looking forward to do it, too bad it's so expensive, and takes so much time to breed.
I think it's strange how many peole say that mushrooms cause bad trips, i'd understand that they can be concidered as bad experiences, but my view of a bad trip is forever changed now, i never had a real bad trip untill last weekend on LSD, i now know what a real BAD trip feels like, it kinda makes me looking forward to a bad mushroom trip.:?
LSD can be soooo evil, i never experienced evil on such an intense level in my entire life before, just plain EVIL.


soulfood said:
I find all substances have there own type of mindfuck

LSD - Panic attacks

Mushrooms - Make you think you're dying

DMT - Confusion beyond confusion, but I've never cried about it.

Mescaline - Did I say head fuck? I meant mind sex :)
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LSD - Panic attacks, yea, i should ad psychotic phases, :twisted: like real DARK psychotic phases wich made me think i was actually about to die, like being killed, i even thought i was stabbed to death already and my memory hadn't still processed my murder properly yet, not like mushrooms made me feel like dying, that was dying on a whole other level, acid made me think that i was about to get killed, the paranoia was just ineffable, no other hallucinogen was ever this cruel to me.

Mushrooms, ok, i see the point, i actually died on mushrooms many times, (you know, i wasn't actually dead) but i could accept it when i died, i was never actually that afraid, when i look back at it, those where actually one of the most unique and blissful moments i ever had on psychedelics.



Mescaline - Hmmm, mindsex, i'm so looking forward to mescaline. :lol:
Thanks for your input!
 
funny noone mentions salvia..in my opinion salvia and 5meo DMT take the cake..and then maybe cannabis for me...becasue i have no tolerance..seriousily it fucks the hell out of my brain..extreme mind warp..in a frightening way.
 
Can you elaborate on that just a little please?
What happened to you?
Cause i'm about to try Salvia soon, i'd like to know what can await me.
 
^uhh..hard to explain..

getting lost in 10 dimensions all at once, each stacked side by side..

Thinking that the room was the one who actaully smoked salvia and wondering why there is a spinning vortex in the middle of the air while I proceed to be various inanimate objects..the chair, my sterio etc..

Leaving all space and time and merging with EVERYTHING..

Visiting other dimensions where normal elucian mathematics and geometry do not apply..

Becomming keys of the piano which make up the back part of a large female ladybug, the queen of salvia space, each key one of my freinds and we go for a ride through some other strange dimension..

Becomming a large spinning wheel with all these spokes, each spoke a soul and I know that this is how it really is..

I could go on and on..salvia is extremely weird..NOTHING..NOTHING matches the weirdness and down right realness of salvia..the most absurd thing I have ever encountered..full on ego death at the right dose.
 
heres one of my old salvia trip reports..

So I sit down with a pile of dry leaves ready to smoke..CD in player, I switch on the light in my salt crystal lamp and I am ready to go..

First hit is held, and exhaled...not much more than a familiar relaxing and releasing feeling..

another is taken, and I become aware of a faint patturn moving around inside of my head, parting inthe middle and I feel the slipping sensations kick in and begin to split..

but it's not far enough, so I take another hit, and then quickly one more big hit..as I am holding it in I try to hold a question in..all I come up with is I want to see who I am..seemed stupid as soon as I thought it so I just tried to blank mymind instead..

Then it really started to happen..like the meanest joke in the universe is about to be played on me..and I willingly walked into it..I did it again..I dunno why salvia goes this way, but sometims she does!..the feeling leaves, like I am sober..never smoked saliva..but AHHA! It's the room that smoked the salvia!..not me!..there is a portal midair in my room, swirling trying to suck me sideways into, but I am sober!..i feel sober! it's the room that is tripping!

Oh..wait WTF...complete and udder confusion sets in as I fumble around, hitting the button off on my sterio(salvia and sound at these doses dont always mix well I am finding, I always have this urge to stop the music)..It's like depersonalization, derealization..trying to figure out if I am the room, or a person..is there a difference?why does the room have a portal in it? why am I sideways? why did the room smoke the salvia???what is I? God, I almost began to cry, if this was a quid I would have cried...

Then it wore off and I remembered that it was I that smoked salvia..I feel like I just dove into complete madness and back, yet I didnt even fully breakthrough, I was only like part way into the portal! i dunno what I learn from trips like this other than salvia ego death is scary, weird, and interesting in a self mutilating type of fasion..thank god she's not always in that mood!
 
fractal enchantment said:
funny noone mentions salvia..in my opinion salvia and 5meo DMT take the cake..and then maybe cannabis for me...becasue i have no tolerance..seriousily it fucks the hell out of my brain..extreme mind warp..in a frightening way.
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I have no experience with 5meo, but I'm hearing you with the salvia. I didn't mention it as I haven't tried it all that much, mainly for the reason you have stated.

The thing with salvia is, with other substances I just think "woh man! Took too much". But with salvia I'm just there, with no idea how I got there. I call it the "waking up in an ambulance" feeling.
 
Never done 5meo, may never. but i affirm salvia takes the "WTF?" cake!!! It's incomparable to anything else, not more overall intense than DMT... except in the absolute "WTF?" and incomprehensible sense of intensity.... OK, that makes no sense so it pretty much sums it up...
 
Oooh damn, that sure sounds like a major mindfucker right there!:p
Good thing it's all over again pretty soon, being like that permanently would be called a psychosis indeed, do you consider that as a bad trip?

It might be a stupid question i dunno, maybe you see it as utterly strange, well i know you do, but maybe you don't feel like it is a bad trip, more like some surreal exploration of different dimensions/realities, or are they just really frightening?

You must either be a very courageous person or more like a sadomasochist to try it again and again.:d

I do understand what draws you to it though, it's weirdness on a different level then a bad acid trip.
I'm still very curious to try it, even more now then ever before, your stories sound quite amazing and very interesting, it's fuel for my imagination.

I think i'm gonna try it within the next months, i'll make a tripreport as soon as i'm ready for it, when i try it i will make sure to have a sitter though, i didn't have one when i first tripped on DMT, but i feel that Salvia actually requires a sober and trustful person to watch over me, i can only imagine what could possibly go wrong, i mean, when you lose all control like that a lot of stuff could go wrong.


Thanks again people!
 
I have a ton of respect for what salvia can show a person..I dont concider salvia a bad trip..for me dying in that way is a *very* spiriutal thing..salvia was my first experience of complete ego death..and for me it is also the surest way of repeating that expereince..

To look at things with your eyes, still see them but have absolutily NO recollection of what they are..what they mean..what they represent..or hwo they relate if at all to "you", whatever "you" even is..when you really get there to that level, there is no fear..no hope of a "bad trip"..such polarities do not exist..


The reentry..well that is another story..the only real scary part I think is the reentry into ego conciousness..trying to pull the pieces back together. This is why a good supportive atmosphere is the only place to journey with salvia..otherwise it get real chaotic.

After a good salvia trip..especially the first one..taking time to rest and integrate the experience is necessary..this is more than just mind warp.."you" are literally no longer there. I have heard people say that 5meo and salvinorin A can take you to the same place..but by different routes.

Also this does not always happen with salvia..sometimes I am there..but "I" am someone else..something else..or I am really me..withno recollection of what i have done and I visit other dimenions..other times etc..salvia can varry alot, like DMT..there is a whole range of things salvia is capable of.

complete ego death I spoke of above seems to happen most often when you smoke with eyes open in a lit room, becasue your eyes will still see this reality, while others open up to you at the same time..so the brain seems to attempt to make sense of more than 1 state at once and can not do it..so you simply expereince time and space as this seemless thing and any sense of individuality seems impossible.

Eyes closed in the dark you can have more of the other dimensional/OBE type trips.
 
I don't think of salvia as a bad trip. To me a bad trip is an experience where you are constantly trying to hold on, but can't. Salvia greases itself up pretty good so you just slip right in there.
 
this sounds like the old set and setting factor - setting to be exact. you said you've done LSD before but this time it was bad. what was different? you said it was the first time you've done it around people you don't know. that's a BIG change in your usual setting.

i don't mean to be a smart-ass but perhaps this experience is just part of the learning curve. now you know - for your own psychonautical purposes - to avoid taking LSD around people you don't know. that's a much more useful and logical lesson than "LSD was cruel to me" and "LSD can be sooo evil."

personally i'm much more likely to have a rough time with mushrooms or DMT. go figure.
 
"Mescaline i have never done, it's pretty expensive here for a decent piece of cacti, but what i've been reading was all very positive, i guess it can be concerned as the most friendly entheogen around, and i would LOVE to experience it's all embracing passion."

On it's own mescaline is wonderful and so warm and inviting..but about 6 weeks ago I had one the most intense expereinces of my life combining mescaline cactus and cannabis..the mind warp was incredible but barely managable..so be careful there..cannabis does this to me but not everyone..especially when I take in with other psychedelics.
 
I hear that.

I don't smoke cannabis with cactus, because it makes me feel like my throat is about to close up. But my worst experience EVER was with what was sold to me as LSD, but looking back, it's more likely it was DOC, longer duration, intesity with shitty after effects. But that was fine, until I smoked some weed, then it was like dying over and over again for a good 8 hours combined with flashing skulls, blue screens (!?!?!), impossible darkness. Very scarey shit.
 
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