fractal enchantment said:
Spiced wrote:
You mean a research chemical?...that could possibly explain it..
Yea, a research chemical indeed, in the beginning i ate some regular acid, but i had the chance of taking onother hit, but i knew it wasn't actually acid, then not much later this psychotic reality came creeping down on me like a black cloud....
rake said:
this sounds like the old set and setting factor - setting to be exact. you said you've done LSD before but this time it was bad. what was different? you said it was the first time you've done it around people you don't know. that's a BIG change in your usual setting.
Yea, i always was very cautious to take acid at the right setting, this time i wasn't that cautious, i may have done it with the wrong people i dunno what it was exactly, i dunno what it triggered, but i was definatly going through the most paranoid and psychotic episode of my life (so far).
But your probably right, it was kind of a learning curve for me, i think if i would've stayed calm like i used to do when shit began to go dark, i might have made it out of there, and could've turned it into a positive experience, but i failed to master it, and surrendered to the chaos, although resistance was futile anyway, i still tried to struggle.
I still can't understand why i thought i was about to get killed, stabbed to death, this level of paranoia was completely new to me, i had bad phases in my life before, but this took the cake...
soulfood said:
I hear that.
I don't smoke cannabis with cactus, because it makes me feel like my throat is about to close up. But my worst experience EVER was with what was sold to me as LSD, but looking back, it's more likely it was DOC, longer duration, intesity with shitty after effects. But that was fine, until I smoked some weed, then it was like dying over and over again for a good 8 hours combined with flashing skulls, blue screens (!?!?!), impossible darkness. Very scarey shit.
I kinda recognize what your trying to say, impossible darkness, yes, blackness if you like, i have to admit that i always smoke cannabis when i do psychedelics, i never tried otherwise, except for DMT, maybe cannabis is sending out some dark vibes amoung the others, that's quite possible, cannabis is actually much more powerful the people like to believe.
lbeing789 said:
Guys I've got to say, SWIM has had an extremely bad trip on mescaline..I've discussed it on other posts but that was something else, like being stabbed with every emotion all at once repeatedly for 4hrs with time slowing to a crawl....could've been several contributing factors, but mescaline can be bad under the wrong circumstances... I think it goes without saying psychedelics are somewhat hit or miss, I mean you're never really sure what you're gonna get and that's something you just have to get used to, in terms of set and setting I always consider the risk/reward ratio....
I'll keep that in mind, i don't think i'll ever screw with the concept of set and setting ever again, not even on low doses, i knew and always have known that this was an important factor, but now i'm gonna respect it more then ever.
I'm a slow learner usually, but i just hoope this experience teached me the needed lesson, i actually feel that i have to consider myself lucky that i came back sane, i believe next time i won't be so lucky, but that can be doom thinking, i can't really tell for sure.
elofer said:
from my experience the reason ANYONE experiences what they percieve as a "bad trip" is simply facing an aspect of themselves that is in serious need of attention, and that can be devistatingly scary and weird!! there are no bad trips imo..only revealing ones that either you figure out or blame the power that took you there....only there can be no blame... none of these substances asked you to ingest them! lol or forced you for that matter....you asked for what you experience!! "be carefull what you wish for" this is a wise saying indeed
Be careful what you wish for, that's a wise saying yes, i feel the same way about it.
Maybe you are right, and probably that experience was a collaboration of my darkest alter egos and my fantasy, i must say, i can have really dark, dark thoughts, when sober, so it might be possible that when i was tripping my inner self tried to teach me a lesson and dissolve my ego and drown it into this sea of dark thought's that my mind contains, for my own sake, to teach me a lesson, i remember that i was thinking, Finally!I finally have respect for mankind, yea, this sounds way dramatic, i know, but i don't really have that much respect for most people, i often think of people as bad persons, they are kinda disapointing most of the time, i LOVE the good ones though, but i hate the bad ones, and at that moment i learned to have more respect for ALL humans, i felt deep respect, finally, i dunno what made me feel like that, but i did.
Now, don't get me wrong, i love a lot of people, but i also have the bad habbit to be a stringent judge on peoples behaviour, and i'm often wrong, so maybe that changed in me, although, i'm not to sure, my ego recovered quite fast, i'm almost the same again.
... or odd head sickness.
