Harmala dosage in Changa

[Flippo]

Hi everybody,
It's been a long time, but I finally made an extraction again and I'm looking forward to making changa for the first time. I read the thread of Olympus, which said the standard ratio is 1:1:1 , harmalas: dmt:leaf. It also says you can use 1 gram 10x extract of caapi leaf instead of 1 gram of freebase harmalas. In another thread I read caapi leaves contain +-2% harmalas, which means 1 gram of 10x caapi extract contains +-200mg of harmalas. This would mean that using 1 gram freebase harmalas would be a lot stronger than using 1 gram of 10x caapi right?
Now I'm probably going to order some 95% hermala freebase isolate, so want to make sure I'm not soaking in way too much harmalas into the leaves

Other question about smoking harmala's; does one need to keep to a specific diet before smoking harmala's, or is this only the case when taken orally?

Thanks in advance for your help

 

[DansMaTete]

Harmalas extraction from syrian rue is cheap&entertaining&easy (much safer than DMT extraction cause no NPS used), so why order harmalas freebase ?

Take all of those words with a grain of salt because i don't have much experience with changa as my way is to vape harmala first and then vape DMT but from reading usuals ratio are from 1:1:1 to 1:1:0,2. I would say, if you want to smoke just few puffs for a session to get hyperlaunched 1:1:1 seems good and if you prefer to have a long session (1, 2 hours or more) i'd use a 1:1:0,2 as harmalas will build up over time.

About diet, you still have to really care about medication and other drugs (e.g : SSRI, MDMA, ...) to avoid a serotonin syndrome but with food it' less a problem. It's still good to watch your diet 12h before and after your session but there is not much risk about cheese syndrom cause harmalas are RIMA and smoked the dose should be lower with changa than oraly.


Happy travel !

 

[pitubo]

My favorite recipe is 3 part herb : 2 part DMT freebase : 1 part harmala freebase.

I use methanol to dissolve the harmalas first, which takes heat and time, then dissolve DMT, which is fast, then add the herbs. I distill off most of the methanol, so I don't have to breathe the toxic fumes.

You can use ethanol or acetone instead of methanol. Those are not as good as a solvent for the harmalas, but they're also less toxic than the methanol, something to keep in mind if you do not have adequate facilities to deal with fumes.

After the solvent is mostly gone, I bake the changa in an electric oven at 80 degrees celcius for 30 minutes.

 

[Flippo]

Thanks for the tips guys.

Guess it will be some experimenting with different ratios to see what I like most. Think I will go for 1:1 dmt:harmalas. Soak it all into blue lotus Wanted to get the caapi leaf but can only get the vine here and not sure if that's too harsh to smoke.

DansMaTete; I would like to try to extract them myself think I'm gonna give that a try.

 

[steppa]

Think I will go for 1:1 dmt:harmalas.

This would be really heavy on the harmala side. Just a side note: You could begin with a 3:1 Ratio (DMT:Harmalas) and add more Harmalas if you didn't get where you want. I just say this 'cause adding more harmine afterwards is much easier then removing it.

From my research 3:1 seems to be common on here. I use this ratio myself and like it, but that's of course a matter of preference.

 

[Flippo]

Ok thank you steppa for the heads up. That was my concern as well.
Good tip to begin light on harmalas and adding more if necessary, didn't think about that!

 

[Uiui]

A guy told me that if you use more harmalas it will become more ayahuasca like effect. Is this true?