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Harmine Crystals from Syrian Rue

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soulfood said:
I'm curious.

What causes the yellow pigment in the water when performing a rue extraction?

I always figured it was traces of harmalas, but if this is so I've been pouring much of it down the sink.

What signs will show of removed impurities after cleaning beyond the brownish/white phase?
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Sounds like no enough salt in solution' hence the Harmalas are still water soluble'

You can tell that most of the impurities have gone from the insoluble Harmalas as of when the saturated salt solution you are washing them with comes up practicaly clean'

70-80 grams salt to 400ml pure water seems to be very close to saturation'

Blessings

Nobuoni +
 
hey hey everyone!

isnt extracting things great? its half the fun really... all the beautiful translucent colors and layers and all.

recently ive done this method youve all described and basified with lye. after that i decanted, poured off water and added more until it was clear.

there is now about 25 ml of water and grey creamy white colored mucousy feathery sediment in the bottom of a beer bottle.

i could filter and dry but i dont want clumpy shit, so i ask; what is the state of the art crystalization method for these alkaloids, everyones always betchin about harmala red and i agree, fuck that noise. what solvent can i use?
right now ive got my mind on starter fluid sprayed into a waterbottle thats half full (like kids doing ether) then pouring that stuff into the beer bottle and separate, evaporate, and have whatever comes out.

if you know how to crystalize this stuff without it going on its period let me know
 
Just a quick note'

Why no just freebase the vine with ammonia solution to ph 10-11'
The Harmines shall just crash out of the solution'

Anyone have any input of freebase THH'
I can see no problem with the Harmine'

Bliss

Nobuoni +
 
Fuego said:
hey hey everyone!

isnt extracting things great? its half the fun really... all the beautiful translucent colors and layers and all.

recently ive done this method youve all described and basified with lye. after that i decanted, poured off water and added more until it was clear.

there is now about 25 ml of water and grey creamy white colored mucousy feathery sediment in the bottom of a beer bottle.

i could filter and dry but i dont want clumpy shit, so i ask; what is the state of the art crystalization method for these alkaloids, everyones always betchin about harmala red and i agree, fuck that noise. what solvent can i use?
right now ive got my mind on starter fluid sprayed into a waterbottle thats half full (like kids doing ether) then pouring that stuff into the beer bottle and separate, evaporate, and have whatever comes out.

if you know how to crystalize this stuff without it going on its period let me know
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Hiya bro'
Salted out then washed with Methanol' it turned red brown'
But upon grinding it tured yellow brown'
It is active'
So folks saying that this red stuff is in-active is no correct'

Just crash the alks out of the salt solution' twice'
Wash in clean water' then crash the freebase out with ammonia solution at ph 10-11'
Wash in water and crash the alks out again with ammonia solution'
And dry the end product'
It comes out fluffy white yellow'
If lye is used it is going to be sitting in the end product'
Ammonia and water evaporate'
Also to speed things up' stick jars in the freezer with the saturated salt solution' unless an extremely low temp in your freezer it shall no freeze cos of the salt in the solution' it cuts waiting times down considerably'
Use excess salt' lots of salt so the Harmines crash out of the solution' make sure to use saturated salt solution'

Bliss

Nobuoni +
 
harmala red formed while evaporating freebase harmala alkaloids in water... just some useful info that might contribute to our theories on this harmala red stuff...
 
SWIM is working with some rue right now. Nasty stuff. So much fat and oil in those damn seeds. He is getting down to a very clean product and is almost to the point where he is gonna drop it with some ammonia.
 
VisualDistortion said:
SWIM is working with some rue right now. Nasty stuff. So much fat and oil in those damn seeds. He is getting down to a very clean product and is almost to the point where he is gonna drop it with some ammonia.
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I actually love this extraction. It's all about patience and fridge decanting. The benefits from repeating the process are highly advisable. With 1 time round SWIM's friend still got nausea when combined with DMT fumerate. A repetition yielded an extract that caused no nausea. SWIM's friend is pretty bad when it comes to his stomach though.
 
VisualDistortion said:
SWIM is working with some rue right now. Nasty stuff. So much fat and oil in those damn seeds. He is getting down to a very clean product and is almost to the point where he is gonna drop it with some ammonia.
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Try charcoaling the rue in the oven at around 180C/356F for 30 minutes. Should make it much easier to powder and filter.
 
soulfood said:
VisualDistortion said:
SWIM is working with some rue right now. Nasty stuff. So much fat and oil in those damn seeds. He is getting down to a very clean product and is almost to the point where he is gonna drop it with some ammonia.
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I actually love this extraction. It's all about patience and fridge decanting. The benefits from repeating the process are highly advisable. With 1 time round SWIM's friend still got nausea when combined with DMT fumerate. A repetition yielded an extract that caused no nausea. SWIM's friend is pretty bad when it comes to his stomach though.
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SWIM agrees, this extraction is very nice! one just gotta have patience, decant always, repeating the process.. its all food safe and there are beautiful changes of colour throughout.



btw, dagger, roasting in the oven at 180c does not hurt the actives at all?
 
In a rare lack of patience that guy may have ruined my batch.
He figured since he had gotten so good with my MHRB work that he knew what he was doing here.
Now he was not trying to be efficient since this was my test run so a little slop was expected.

Started with 100g rue seeds crushed and ground up.
#1 Mixed with 1L water/boiled/strained X2 [milky brownish liquid, glowed like the sun under blacklight]

#2 Boiled down that 2L down to 500ml solution
#3 Boiled up 200ml of water and added salt until he couldn't get it to dissolve anymore

#4 Mixed the two together to yield just under a liter of saltwater/rue tea
at this point he expected to see some HCL percip out, he saw nothing that he could notice (the solution was still milky as heck so Im not sure IF he would have even seen it.

now he's a little worried, he see's no discernible percip or real change in his solution even after fridging for about 3 hours.

#5 Tried to strain through a teeshirt, shirt got shit stained to hell and back but no solids are left on it.
He should also add that at every step, everything that touched the solution was left with a strange almost glowing water residue (He assume that's a good thing).

So freaking out
#6 He start dropping ammonia into the solution and watched the sweet dance of colors develop, the brown mush started to swirl into a murky yellowish color.
#7 Let that sit in the fridge for an hour and checked, something settled. Its icky brownish and very fine.
#8 he separated most of the liquid from the silt and separated that into a mason jar.
#9 he is waiting until tomorrow to do the same again.

So ummm do he have harmala HCL now or did he have that and not notice it and Ive already gone back to freebase?

He assumes if its the second one then all he would need to do is separate/dry and then re-salt
If its the former then he guess resoak in salt water and ammonia drop again?
 
You have harmala freebase.

Evap in acidic solution until all is liquid then saturate the hell out of it with salt. Like really get it in there. Leave it simmering for 10 minutes and you should still see a little excess salt (not too much, but any of you saltaphobes should get a job!).

Then leave it in the fridge for 2 days.

There should be a fair bit of harmala Hcl waiting for you.
 
Is there any difference between harmala freebase and HCL storage wise or potency? like 69ron said, fumarate salts of dmt are much better absorbed than other salts or freebase dmt ( i have no idea why though )
Also, just wanted to make sure, are harmala freebase soluble in water? Thanks.
 
many teks have been mentioned here - which should swim follow ?
what are the average yeilds expected % wize ?
 
There has been some speculation on ayahuasca forum that in the process of roasting syrian rue seeda, some of the harmine gets converted to harmaline or THH... would this indeed be the case?
 
appelseen said:
There has been some speculation on ayahuasca forum that in the process of roasting syrian rue seeda, some of the harmine gets converted to harmaline or THH... would this indeed be the case?
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SWIM thought it was the opposite fo this, harmaline converting to harmine. SWIM thought that boiling the seeds did this, as well, and his extract seems to indicate this.
 
amor_fati said:
SWIM thought it was the opposite fo this, harmaline converting to harmine. SWIM thought that boiling the seeds did this, as well, and his extract seems to indicate this.
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Yes, I remembered it wrong way around. The idea being that roasting makes the effect of rue more "caapi-like" (besides making it easier to grind) I was just wondering if this is has been scientifically proven.
 
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