Dream2Awaken said:
Geines said:
you took a hallucinogen and then believed what you're hallucinating.
There is another thread on here. It's talking about research done showing your brain registers what is sees on aya, as real. Just as real as it does when your not on the drug. So if your mind accepts it as entirely real. Why wouldn't it be?
You talk as if everyone is having irrational thoughts that they accept as fact, and act on. Clearly not the case. I have yet to read a thread entitled, "So I committed another crime on DMT." In it they'd talk about demented voices (that apparently we all hear) telling them steal for a god they can't pronounce the name of.
he talk of hyperspace here is a literal place in the universe or in "another dimension". The entities are the inhabitants. Sounds like sci fi to me.
Ask around. Different members will give you a different description of what they THINK hyperspace is. Notice I said think right? It's up to ones interpretation and perception.
There is a big difference between thinking about something, and believing in it.
I could tell you who you think "god" is, but I don't think you'd want me to, so farewell.
I would love to hear you tell us who we think is god. Please go on.
"research done showing your brain registers what is sees on aya, as real. Just as real as it does when your not on the drug. So if your mind accepts it as entirely real. Why wouldn't it be?"
I already said the brain chooses what's real and what isn't. Did you not read the whole of my post? I too have thought what I experienced on DMT to be real and it wasn't pleasant. Read what I wrote here if you want to know
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"You talk as if everyone is having irrational thoughts that they accept as fact"
I don't know if they act on it, but some do accept it as fact. They say it themselves.
"Clearly not the case."
Clearly it is.
"I have yet to read a thread entitled, "So I committed another crime on DMT."
You think crimes are irrational? Oh dear.
"In it they'd talk about demented voices (that apparently we all hear) telling them steal for a god they can't pronounce the name of."
Personally I can see this happening because of what happened to me, but I've never read a DMT user ever doing this. But do you really think someone who's gone off the deep end would come back to the internet and laugh about it? If people have lost it on DMT they would be in some sort of care and we probably would never know. Known DMT incidents are usually people admitting themself to a hospital.
"Ask around. Different members will give you a different description of what they THINK hyperspace is. Notice I said think right? It's up to ones interpretation and perception."
Read above. Also the post was addressing this thread in particular, which I state. I read this thread, have you? Sounds like you haven't.
"There is a big difference between thinking about something, and believing in it."
10 points to you sir.
"I would love to hear you tell us who we think is god. Please go on."
Here I'm referring to the inner god, not the one or thing that is supposed to have created this universe etc. Bare in mind I'm no psychologist so I won't using "big words" nor will I be attempting to write an essay on this.
The inner god is a combination of factors, just like love, which people also interpret as a single force until it's broken down. First what is god? You can't describe it so from the very beginning it can be given any attributes. Most, if not all, are subjected to religious teachings and beliefs throughout childhood and even in adulthood. That creates and continually molds preconceived notions. It's implanted inside us, without that we wouldn't call what we feel "god". We as humans are capable of many emotions. They come at different levels, and are uncontrollable. If we were consumed by them we would be just like animals. It's our intellect and capacity for knowledge and understanding which sets us apart. But no matter how smart we think we are there is a force under our conscious that ultimately controls us. We can not deny or control certain parts of our being, we are here for the ride. (I assume most agree with scientists who say the brain is where everything happens, I assume most rational people agree with, or accept, the scientific theory that consciousness resides in the brain, one way or another. If you don't then there's no point reading the rest.) Below the consciousness is the subconscious, there maybe other names and types but I'll use that title for now, and the working brain. Let's say the brain exists, the subconscious controls it, and our level of conscious is the result. I understand it's more complex than that.
Now, our idea of god is present, since we're not of the same mind it'll differ for everybody to some degree, like how thoughts of an event usually differs between people. It's usually beneficial in some way. Thoughts don't go away they're stored, so even if someone's an atheist the mere mention of god will bring up a personal form. We've never seen god, or heard god, hence believing and believers, but we sometimes can experience it. We get a feeling, or think we sense something, profound or out of our control, a guiding force and we instinctively call it god. But it's happening on a subconscious level, the brain is sending signals to the right places, or the wrong places. Your subconscious is whats performing these acts. You may feel love or insight at that time, or a combination of emotions present when subconscious activity is taking place. You can't control it, make it happen or make it stop. Our intellect is so frightened of the unknown it feels the gap. Fact, our eyes have blind spots which the brain feels, our memories and dreams have parts missing which the brain feels. It's like pressing all the right buttons to bring about an action, the buttons and actions may be different for different people but it is inside of us.
From another perceptive, the idea of god is, for lack of a better word, stupid. You didn't not come up with it, it is an outside thought, there is nothing in existence that would make you think god exists. All normal thoughts are back by evidence, usually what you have gained through your senses. Thoughts outside of that is you imagination gone wild. It's not a bad a thing, it's just not normal. Your idea of god has been given to you by others, and the idea of god is so prevalent most of the world believes it. Gods come in many shapes and sizes, from a cat to an intangible creator of the universe. But it's still there. Have you ever asked yourself why you believe in one type of god and not another. Why not believe in the greek gods? You know the answer. All gods are imaginary until proven real. The realness is inside of you, you're the one giving life to it.
Using drugs makes the subconscious stronger, the brain is far more active than usual. Any feelings of god have the possibility of coming out. You could manufacture a god drug if you was smart enough. XTC is todays love drug, DMT is todays god drug, the difference is love is normal and people know what it is. Sensing god isn't, we don't normally feel it once a week or when do something, it's random.
To put it simply, your thoughts plus emotions plus subconscious and brain activity equals the god inside you.
Thats the best way I can explain it right now. There's no need to nitpick at minor details, you know what I mean. But if you completely disagree I wouldn't mind hearing your reasons.
