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Has DMT changed your religious beliefs?

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DMT hasn't changed my religious views, but it has made me wonder... a lot.

The first time I drank ayahuasca it almost felt like it forced some sort of spirituality upon me, but it wasn't anything specific. No names of gods or goddesses came to mind, but rather just a feeling of something divine being woken up both inside of me and outside.

The inside feeling felt very connected to me, like a guardian angel of some sort and I assume that's why they call it "mother ayahuasca". It feels very nurturing and you can tell that even if you are going through hell at times this voice wishes you only well.

The outside feeling felt like some alien contact or better yet breaking through the layers of the matrix. Sadly most of the times I couldn't understand those visions and sounds as they were highly indistinguishable, but they were there and I assume this part is on ourselves to identify what they were trying to teach us.

Not everything in the ayahuasca experience is necessarily spiritual, but it seems as it is the main theme of this particular plant medicine.

That being said this all faded when I sobered up, but I can imagine that it would stick with someone enough so the idea of writing it down to preserve the knowledge would seem as the right thing to do. At the end of the trip you actually feel perfectly sober even if you still got strong visuals. The sober feeling and the seemingly genuine euphoria can convince someone that what you have just experienced isn't purely chemical based but there must be something more.

If that's what you chose to believe, that's just fine, but personally I don't. I've experimented with psychedelics maybe far too much so I learnt that even different ratios of plants in the brew produce very different effects, and that dosage has to do a lot too with how seriously you take what happened to you and this is not limited just to ayahuasca so I do sincerely think it is all chemical based. However chemicals have been proven to be able to evoke some very powerful states and by no means should that be underestimated.
 
I think the power of set and setting to influence how we trip and interpret the "meaning" of the trip is grossly underestimated and underappreciated.

Yes, spiritual leaders and icons in the past likely got some sort of DMT dump inadvertantly or through meditation or otherwise inadvertently ingested a psychedelic chemical, but in my experience these chemicals act more like an amplifier or antenna that connects directly into our state of mind via memories, fears, and expectations than a message in and of itself.

Whether one gets imagery of Christianity, Hinduism, or particle physics depends upon whether and how they have previously been exposed to such things. There is a good deal of overlap between one persons and anothers experience on DMT, but there is also a good deal of overlap in the human condition.

Of the many many many trips that I have taken part in, I would say that the most powerful and profound things that myself and others bring back are things that we already knew but underappreciated. There is definitely something to the feelings of connectedness and profundity, but I believe that it is a dire mistake to attach more meaning to it than, "This is how it feels." Logical fallacies are often started with a "feeling". Feelings are legitimate on their own and do not need a web of philosophy to make them legitimate. The feelings of connectedness, infinite love, empathy, transcendent light, etc., etc. should be self evident enough from the experience alone not to need a philosophical or religious arguement to make them legitimate.

I often FEEL like we are at a point in human history that we are outgrowing the confines of religious spirituality and something greater and more encompassing of the human condition needs to be targeted both to be more inclusive and to allow us greater mobility within the realm of spirituality.
 
Changed them? No, not at all. Has it augmented, high-lighted, crystallized, magnified and expanded them exponentially? Oh yeah. Sacred light floods magnificently, from beyond the dream of oneself. This we share, to one degree or another. :love:
 
People in this thread have said they are atheists - everything must be math/physical.
Others have said it's made them spiritual.
Yet others said they believe in a god/universal consciousness.

DMT/Mushrooms/etc have led me to the point where I think arguing a separation is where the flaw in logic is. It makes me think all literally is one.

I think some folks that want to not believe have a hard time grasping that, they always think of "god" as some bearded being and our physics as separate.

A lot of religious folks view physics and this world as something created by "god".

I used to be atheist. Maybe I'm now agnostic but if I had to lean one direction, I picture everything thing as part of the whole. Our consciousness is not separate. It's just part of a larger "mind" that has billions of points - us, plus other life/objects - of perspective. Kind of like a child amused by the lines on his hands or the ant on the ground, we're simply "it" learning what we are and familiarizing with our surroundings. Our physics are part of our consciousness. So is this keyboard I'm typing on. Similar to maya/alike.

Then again, maybe my "logic" is flawed too. I don't think any of us will truly know until the end. I'm happy to black out. I'm happy to move on to something magical. I'm ready to be judged because I know who I am. No matter what, it doesn't really matter and I'm ready for what will come. In the mean time, pondering it is an amusing way to pass time and stimulate my mind.
 
Rejected Christianity at a young age, as an atheist I found zen entertaining with Alan Watts, and the psycologists perspective on Buddhism with Ram Dass, then the experiences with entheogens led to a nihilism where I choose the least perspective limiting beliefs, that work for me, similar to Robert Anton Wilson and Bashar, respectively. I've definitely got my own esoteric ontological idea of what's going on, with all the things and stuff.

I'd say my genre of belief is somewhere between a nihilistic animism and an affinity toward Jungean and occult style of the Crowley and Bertiaux type variety. There's a certain agnosticism about those such varieties as well. The flower of life information is great because the information comes across in a visual way, and the esoteric understandings of all these people mentioned, including Drunvalo, are all somewhat similar in many ways.
 
OfTheVoid46 said:
People in this thread have said they are atheists - everything must be math/physical.
Others have said it's made them spiritual.
Yet others said they believe in a god/universal consciousness.

DMT/Mushrooms/etc have led me to the point where I think arguing a separation is where the flaw in logic is. It makes me think all literally is one.
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:thumb_up:

Any believe stays a believe no matter if you change the content (god & spirit / math & physics / I am John and you are Mary / ... ) of it.

It is believing itself and the holding onto. Why is this whole stuff important`? What for? To add more drama?

Believe (it) or not, it doesn't make any difference.

tseuq
 
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