Has this ever happened to anyone?

[darellmatt]

Hi,
I've been using spice now for about 5 months. In the beginning I was in love with the experience and did pharmahuasca several times a month. I also did free base with a GVG about as often. My experiences were profound, visually vivid, transformative, and memorable. I was able to break through a few times and each time had profound contact with my guides. I definitely had the sense of contacting other dimensions.

However about 2 months ago the quality of the experience started to change. Essentially the CEV's and OEV's dropped away, as did my sense of being transported to another dimension. The emotional expansiveness and heightened inner awareness continued, but the hallucinations and general psychedelic trippiness were GONE.

Has this ever happened to any one else? I tried abstaining for a month. Then yesterday I did pharmahasca, 50mg of harmaline hcl followed by 300 mg of fumarate. Again, nice expanded awareness of emotions, but no contact with altered reality.

I'm very puzzled. Same batch of spice, stored in a cool dry place, saved as fumarate only 3 months old, so I doubt the batch has lost potency. I am a little sad, I miss my inner journeys!

I am very open to your suggestions.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Although it's not exactly what you described, from my understanding this is similar to something that happened to a friend of mine. When I was first learning how run MHRB extractions, my roommate and I were so excited about my/our new skill that we were vaporizing DMT very frequently. I woul even go as far as to say we were pushing the line between using and abusing. I was smoking pretty large doses, on average, about every other day. My roommate was smoking mid-range doses every single day, and sometimes several times in a day.

One day he loaded up a breakthrough dose and vaporized it all in one hit. He said that he started to feel the initial tryptamine rush and a significant body load, but that was it. I thought it was his vaporizinng technique, but he had done this enough times to know how to effectively vaporize spice. He tried all kinds of different methods and doses throughout the next week or so, but had the same result every time. It was almost like the spice was denying him visions, perhaps some sort of punishment for the lack of respect he had previously displayed. This continued every time he tried to vape spice for several months, and at the time I was baffled as to what was causing this phenomenon. Eventually he regained the ability to experience DMT- visions. Logically it doesn't make much sense, but I still think that the spice just sometimes "decides" not to grant you visions, for whatever reason.

 

[darellmatt]

"eventually he regained the ability to experience visions"

Music to my ears.

I am sure it has something to do with variability in brain chemistry.
I wonder if some people have the ability to upregulate the production of
brain MAO. If there were enough of that enzyme activity in the brain, the spice molecule
might not hang around long enough to interact with it'w receptor.

 

[Entheogenerator]

Interesting thought. I remember him saying that his experiences before he stopped breaking through were progressively getting weirder... Not necessarily scary, just weird and kind of unnerving. So it also occurred to me that maybe somehow his brain was just kind of blocking the effects of the compound, in a kind of attempt at avoiding the weirdness... I don't know, anything is possible. But I can only speculate.

 

[Jin]

50mg of harmaline hcl followed by 300 mg of fumarate

is'nt that a very low dose of harmalin and a really big dose of DMT , i think you'll need more harmaline .....

 

[darellmatt]

is'nt that a very low dose of harmalin and a really big dose of DMT , i think you'll need more harmaline .....

Possibly, however it was the same dose that worked so well for me for several glorious episodes...

 

[universecannon]

The 'relationiship' with it seems to ebb, flow and fluctuate quite a lot over time. I've seen many similar cases of people experiencing this sort of thing, and all kinds of other 'roadblocks' where the experiences follow a very similar pattern for a time until they eventually push through it and into new territory. I've experienced it myself but its hard to say just what you need to do because everyones situation can be so different. But there is no doubt many potentially fruitful avenues that could be explored

Then again, it may be so simple as upping your dose. Many possibilities :d

 

[Jees]

50mg of harmaline hcl followed by 300 mg of fumarate

is'nt that a very low dose of harmalin and a really big dose of DMT , i think you'll need more harmaline .....

Indeed, like wasting, stepping on the throttle while the hand brake is on.
Sorry for the comparison but it feels this way.
Put hand brake off (like 100-150 harmaline), and even lesser power will shoot ya forward.

 

[darellmatt]

OK, fair enough. I try to keep my harmaline dose low because it makes me queasy, but maybe that's just the price of admission.

 

[universecannon]

Oh somehow i missed the mention of 50mg harmaline. That sounds way too low.

If you up the dose of harmaline watch out, because it will likely kick in more of that dmt. I would personally up the dose of harmaline closer to 90 or 100mg and lower the dose of dmt as well, just to be on the safe side.

The queasiness is just a part of the experience that you get somewhat used to over time. It helps a lot to just lay still with eyes closed in silent darkness, or to purge if you feel the need. Nibbling some ginger can also help with the nausea.

 

[idtravlr]

Hey darellmatt,

This happened to me also quite some time ago. A member on here who had also experienced the phenomenon suggested taking a break and using piracetam during that break. I took a couple of weeks off and used priacetam for somewhere around 30 days (can't recall exactly because this was a few years ago) and it did help me recover my breakthroughs. How much of the recovery was due to time off and how much was due to piracetam is not really measurable but I'm pretty certain that the piracetam had a reasonable effect for reasons I won't bother you with here unless you care to hear them.

Good luck my friend! That's a shitting feeling I know.

-idt

 

[olympus mon]

This happens pretty commonly for some. I know for me breakthroughs just stopped for close to 5 months and I was too impatient so I didn't take a break. The result was a smack down of a life time.

My problems were caused from over use and opiate use. I vaped DMT 2, 3 times a night for abut a year. Your not using it that much so something else is going on? Besides the good advice from idtrvlr, I'd ask a couple more questions.

Are you taking opiates regularly? This has a dumbing down effect on DMT when pain meds are taken regularly. Benzos are even worse. So if youre taking things like Valium even if its just at night that will hugely effect breaking through the next day.

Also, you're lucky you only took 50mg harmine because 300mg DMT fumerate in pharma is WOWZERS mate! Its definetly do able but that takes a certain type of mind and experience to actually enjoy a dose that strong. Try 100mg each next time for a reasonable but with while experience. Then 100g harmine and 150g DMT next if the previous was still a but light but 100mg harmalas should do it for most people. My, my lord mate help yourself out and not eat 300mg again :lol:

Is there anychance your spice has been exposedto heat or worse, sunlight? That can really effect the potency in freebase form. I wouldnt worry about your bunk pharma attempt that was ckearly just nit enough maoi..
Good luck. Breaks are never a bad thing.

 

[jamie]

1g of rue would definatly activate 300mg of DMT for me to the point of full on breakthrough...assuming I have say 5% rue that would be 50mg of harmalas. It makes for a short 1-1.5 hour experience but still..300mg of DMT is a lot and 1g of rue would def activate that much, for me..and this was 50mg harmaline..so it would be stronger than just one gram of rue.

I dunno what other people here need. All I can say is that 300mg of DMT would have definatly been strong with 50mg harmaline for me..so it's not to low for some people.

 

[olympus mon]

1g of rue would definatly activate 300mg of DMT for me to the point of full on breakthrough...assuming I have say 5% rue that would be 50mg of harmalas. It makes for a short 1-1.5 hour experience but still..300mg of DMT is a lot and 1g of rue would def activate that much, for me..and this was 50mg harmaline..so it would be stronger than just one gram of rue.

I dunno what other people here need. All I can say is that 300mg of DMT would have definatly been strong with 50mg harmaline for me..so it's not to low for some people.

Wish I had your substance sensitivity. 1g mushroom breakthroughs, full maoi from a gram of rue, ext. Jaime you have to most sensitive system I have ever heard of.

 

[Ryusaki]

I am at the opposite end. I am sensitive to all tryptamines (1gr shroom breakthrough for example) but i am extremly unsensitive to harmalas. I ve drunk up to 16gr Rue tea (in one session!) without purging and i could still stand (and dance). No tracers, nearly no intoxication.

I ve drunk 6 gr tea while my friend drunk 1gr of the same batch. He felt everything, i got nothing. It blows my mind. It was definatly not like this when i started with the drinking last year. 3gr was more than enough, i saw tracers and felt heavy intoxicated.

But i did a 2 week microdosing session, combined with fasting and since then i think it has changed.

 

[universecannon]

1g of rue would definatly activate 300mg of DMT for me to the point of full on breakthrough...assuming I have say 5% rue that would be 50mg of harmalas. It makes for a short 1-1.5 hour experience but still..300mg of DMT is a lot and 1g of rue would def activate that much, for me..and this was 50mg harmaline..so it would be stronger than just one gram of rue.

I dunno what other people here need. All I can say is that 300mg of DMT would have definatly been strong with 50mg harmaline for me..so it's not to low for some people.

True, but I think its obvious at this point that most people tend to need to ingest WAY more than you jamie

That dose would be way too much for me as well but most people seem to need a lot more harmalas than us to activate the dmt, for whatever reason

 

[idtravlr]

That dose would be way too much for me as well but most people seem to need a lot more harmalas than us to activate the dmt, for whatever reason

Just as an aside here regarding your "for whatever reason" comment: Everyone has different levels of MAO enzymes in their systems, some have a lot more or a lot less than most people, so it stands to reason that those with less MAO would have more sensitivity to tryptamines as well as need less MAOI.

Sorry if I'm just covering shit you already knew, but I wanted to share in case there were questions around pharmacology of the sensitivity phenomenon.

-idt