Having "trouble" with Re-integration

[DMT_Tom]

I just became aware of a potential "problem" after smoalking my first 3 times.
My problem: I don't seem to be having ANY re-integration trouble.
This in itself is a little troubling, you know?

These deep experiences have affected my life, absolutely, during and after coming down!
But in my mind, the separate realms of consensus reality and hyperspace remain separate, rather than bleeding together.

I wanted to ponder why I seem so different from other Nexians in this regard, and here is what I came up with:
-I don't believe that the realms to which I have traveled within my brain are real outside of my head. I haven't encountered real entities or presences.

-Instead of approaching DMT from the angle of discovering a new reality (which I did, of course!) AND NEW OBJECTIVE TRUTHS, I have instead chosen to seek out its effects on daily life in THIS reality.

Thus after the absurdity wears off and I am back to earth, I feel greatly refreshed and untroubled. My mind remains grounded and intact after fully coming down, despite the truly WEIRD happenings during the trip. Like vivid dreams, sometimes these trips may haunt a person for awhile. However, dreams dissipate with the rising sun.
But these "dreams" are having profound effects, just not fully understood yet.

So how do other Nexians deal with re-integration?

 

[Jin]

I wanted to ponder why I seem so different from other Nexians in this regard

that is quite an assumption

many nexians can smoalk DMT all day without flinching

So how do other Nexians deal with re-integration?

the only real way towards re-integration is to do a brew , an oral DMT breakthrough that lasts 4-6 hours is the only way to re-integrate

smolking DMT is childs play comparitively

 

[Nitegazer]

You aren't alone in viewing the worlds revealed in a dmt trip as internal to your mind, rather than a concrete objective reality. I would generally put myself in the same camp.

IMO, ways of integrating dmt trips really aren't very different from the ways people integrate with their faith. In houses of worship, a portion of those attending view their God as
objective reality and others see a metaphor or deep myth. Trying to get these two groups to reconcile their views is not only futile, it can potentially cause hurt both parties.

I believe the experience of revelation is much the same for all of us. How we translate that into our belief system ranges wildly from person to person.

 

[NotTwo]

-I don't believe that the realms to which I have traveled within my brain are real outside of my head. I haven't encountered real entities or presences.

-Instead of approaching DMT from the angle of discovering a new reality (which I did, of course!) AND NEW OBJECTIVE TRUTHS, I have instead chosen to seek out its effects on daily life in THIS reality.

Hmmm, I would say that what we experience in "ordinary" daily life is a subjective reality; what we experience in dreams is a subjective reality; what we experience when vaping dmt is a subjective reality. None of them have any ultimate reality. All of them are conceptual (mind existing only) worlds arising in the only thing that definitely is there which is awareness/consciousness/beingness - choose your own word.

I'd almost say that dmt takes one to a different vibrational energy level and from there a (very different!) subjective reality is available. Just like "ordinary" reality, I can decide to divide that up dualistically into "me", "other world", "me surviving/seeking pleasure/avoiding pain in other world" OR it's just the play of Leela in divine consciousness; it all just flows without any requirement to stick the concept of a "person" in there; it's all just perfection existing in perfection. For me, the beauty of dmt is that it provides a unique environment to see that truth - in somewhat intense circumstances :d That's not to say it's impossible in everyday life, just that there's a lot more conceptual baggage around to get in the way.

 

[DMT_Tom]

Nitegazer, thanks that was very helpful.

NotTwo, I wouldn't go so far to say that reality is subjective and entirely created by our own mind(s), do i follow you? But you're not wrong that even objective reality is filtered through the subjective lens of our own personal experience. so...we just differ on belief in an objective reality.

It's way too much for me to believe that waking reality is just like a dream. lol
Anyhow I think I follow you though, thanks for sharing

 

[pitubo]

So how do other Nexians deal with re-integration?

the only real way towards re-integration is to do a brew , an oral DMT breakthrough that lasts 4-6 hours is the only way to re-integrate

IMHO this is generally speaking extremely bad and irresponsible advice. A person who is shaken by a trip that lasts a few minutes may be shattered by a trip that lasts for hours. In a few minutes of panic one can only do a few things later regretted. In 4-6 hours, it is comparatively easy to change the course of your entire life.

Please don't advise people to double the dose to work through any personal issues encountered while tripping. In fact, AFAIK the consensus here is to take a break instead.

Hmmm, I would say that what we experience in "ordinary" daily life is a subjective reality; what we experience in dreams is a subjective reality; what we experience when vaping dmt is a subjective reality. None of them have any ultimate reality.

Daily life seems (at least to me) to have a lot more continuity, repeatability and predictability to it.

All of them are conceptual (mind existing only) worlds arising in the only thing that definitely is there which is awareness/consciousness/beingness - choose your own word.

What if space entities from another dimension suddenly step through the walls of my room and, while giggling manically, start pulling my body apart? In a dream or a trip it is just a temporary experience. If it were to happen in "ordinary daily life", it would probably be the last experience.

 

[DMT_Tom]

IMHO this is generally speaking extremely bad and irresponsible advice.

Thanks for this response, I was feeling a bit chastised myself when I read his response.... I appreciate ur perspective.
I didn't mean to imply that I am some kind of special person or offend anyone with this post! I can see how it may have come across that way though.

I tripped again last night, and had another seamless integration

What if space entities from another dimension suddenly step through the walls of my room and, while giggling manically, start pulling my body apart? In a dream or a trip it is just a temporary experience. If it were to happen in "ordinary daily life", it would probably be the last experience.

Well said. The occurrences of the DMT world are not exploding into life outside of DMT. This is precisely how I feel about the DMT reality: The DMT's presence and its reality are becoming more and more confirmed with each amazing experience I have, but the real world that we all share is not becoming more of an "illusion" to me, either. Rather, normal reality is becoming even more REAL to me, a very desirable and profound effect

 

[Hiyo Quicksilver]

If you come down and are unable to sense any bleed-over or do not experience any synthesis of old thought forms or methods of understanding into new ones, then I would argue that you're not seamlessly integrating anything at all. In fact, you're not integrating whatsoever... The DMT made a glancing blow upon your consciousness and has yet to break down the barriers. Perhaps your idea of a "breakthrough" is actually closer to the consensus definition of "threshold". From your communication in chat with some other newer members, I've often had the thought "That word you keep using... I do not think it means what you think it means".

Seeing new worlds, entities etc. is not indicative of a breakthrough. If anything, they are the trappings of a strong but sub-breakthrough dose. A breakthrough dose, by definition, is challenging to describe except in a limited sense, as the sense of self is necessary to form language as we use it... This is what we "break through" to; a mystical experience of utter non-duality and the death of the self as both a mental construct and a point of reference. This is the ego-death experience and is the one universal initiatory threshold of the breakthrough psychedelic experience. "Hyperspace" is merely the place one journeys through to get here, as many hyperspace experiences have as a key portion of the narrative the traveler's own sense of self, thoughts, emotions and often even their own body or the subtle or astral manifestation thereof.

If you can fully, seamlessly integrate the mystical experience in all its infinite, ineffable grandeur without fear, disorganization or consideration... Then, by all means, hang up the GVG and give your DMT to a newly initiated journeyman. You have no need for it. You're already prepared for the final voyage, and free to heedlessly live your life as you see fit, without additional consideration or the need to seek further wisdom! You are the sage you seek! Congrats!

...And if you can't sense my sarcasm above, you're hopeless. Give a firm thinking toward your assumptions, preconceptions and expectations. Realize that your experience is of but a single ripple in an endless ocean, and that your mind cannot fathom what it seeks to understand. Humble yourself, and truly seek to be shown not what you expect or hope to see, but what there really is to experience which you cannot yet imagine.

Like many others... Your problem is not that you're different; Your problem is that you think you are when, in fact, you are but a fledgling traveler on an endless sea. As are we all, until such time as the sea itself takes us from the bosom of its wake, and draws us once again into its infinite abyss.

Initiation is not a point/event, or even a process with a beginning and end... It is the continual unfolding of the most fundamental aspects our spirit into all facets of our lives. It is a path, not a place. And it is the path which has no end, for those with the will to travel onward ever more.

Happy Trails,
-Hg


tl;dr:
SMOALK MOAR.

 

[null24]

the only real way towards re-integration is to do a brew , an oral DMT breakthrough that lasts 4-6 hours is the only way to re-integrate

smolking DMT is childs play comparitively

Thanks for saying this, I may have been too cowardly to. My smoalked DMT experiences have been a very spritual thing for me, giving me a sort of foundation from which to do personal work from. Knowing that this is but a brief manifestation that exists to experience what being within matter extending through time is, and that beyond is the same pregnant nothing from which "I " extend and to which I'll return, has done one major thing for me:

1. As a depressive with suicidal ideation, the spiritual understanding it has given me (outside of any type of faith, it is purely based upon experience and gnosis) removed from me the possibility-or at least determined the bounds within which it could occur- suicide for me as an individual.

It has also informed my use of other medicines, cannabis and now the incorporation of psilocybin into my practice. It is with these that the real integrative work comes in. Identifying and finding solutions for those things which I, as an individual, find distasteful about myself and wish to change. And using the journey within and my spiritual guides, which I see as both internal and external to my reality, to do so.

Peace to you, it sounds as if you're on your way, OP.

 

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the only real way towards re-integration is to do a brew , an oral DMT breakthrough that lasts 4-6 hours is the only way to re-integrate

smolking DMT is childs play comparitively

Thanks for saying this, I may have been too cowardly to. My smoalked DMT experiences have been a very spritual thing for me, giving me a sort of foundation from which to do personal work from. Knowing that this is but a brief manifestation that exists to experience what being within matter extending through time is, and that beyond is the same pregnant nothing from which "I " extend and to which I'll return, has done one major thing for me:

1. As a depressive with suicidal ideation, the spiritual understanding it has given me (outside of any type of faith, it is purely based upon experience and gnosis) removed from me the possibility-or at least determined the bounds within which it could occur- suicide for me as an individual.

It has also informed my use of other medicines, cannabis and now the incorporation of psilocybin into my practice. It is with these that the real integrative work comes in. Identifying and finding solutions for those things which I, as an individual, find distasteful about myself and wish to change. And using the journey within and my spiritual guides, which I see as both internal and external to my reality, to do so.

Peace to you, it sounds as if you're on your way, OP.

Great post. :thumb_up:

 

[Metanoia]

Most of what I am thinking has already been said in this thread.

Perhaps you have a stronger resistance to something like a DMT trip than others. You can compartmentalize the experience and separate from it, which from your descriptions is what seems to be happening. You view them as internal fantasy, pure imagination. Nothing wrong with that.

After a while of this, what I call the "honeymoon" phase, you eventually get down to deeper levels. That's where the truly bizarre stuff begins to emerge That is, if you pursue it that far. I'm sure some people can smoke DMT for many years and have nothing but pleasant experiences as you've described. Never delving too deep and simply taking immense pleasure in the total bliss of it all.

But you also may find, eventually, that you're faced with a slew of past experiences which begin to meld into one big jumble of thought and emotions which are very difficult to come to terms with. I'm sure many of us travellers have been there; myself included.

The brash bravado is quite common with those finding themselves at the beginning of their journey. I still admire it when I see it in others, as that has been something I tempered in myself with a multitude of incredibly humbling experiences. Enjoy it, revel in it, cherish it But always respect the experience. The moment you lose that, even for a second...arises the opportunity for one big ol' hyperslap to rain down upon you :lol: :twisted:

Be safe!

 

[DMT_Tom]

1. As a depressive with suicidal ideation, the spiritual understanding it has given me (outside of any type of faith, it is purely based upon experience and gnosis) removed from me the possibility-or at least determined the bounds within which it could occur- suicide for me as an individual.

Peace to you, it sounds as if you're on your way, OP.

Awesome. I'm glad the medicine worked out that way for you.
Up until last year, I too had suicidal ideation. I have been clear of this plague for almost a year now. Smoking DMT has, so far, not re-awakened anything of this nature.
As a side note, I actually do believe that an oral DMT experience would, as you pointed out, touch on spiritual and personal issues far beyond the point of the quick smoking experience!

Thanks so much for sharing

 

[DMT_Tom]

Perhaps you have a stronger resistance to something like a DMT trip than others.

Mhmm. That resistance comes from my personality and conservative Christian religious upbringing and stuff. This worldview or framework is pretty rigidly set in my mind, leading to the compartmentalization of the experience as you later mentioned.

You can compartmentalize the experience and separate from it, which from your descriptions is what seems to be happening. You view them as internal fantasy, pure imagination. Nothing wrong with that.

Yes for now. But each experience accumulated and as I keep hanging around the Nexus, things are becoming more real and also a bit more thought-provoking.

After a while of this, what I call the "honeymoon" phase, you eventually get down to deeper levels. That's where the truly bizarre stuff begins to emerge

It is truly bizarre already. lal
I expect it to keep getting more bizarre as I get up the courage to experiment more though.

The brash bravado is quite common with those finding themselves at the beginning of their journey. I still admire it when I see it in others, as that has been something I tempered in myself with a multitude of incredibly humbling experiences. Enjoy it, revel in it, cherish it But always respect the experience. The moment you lose that, even for a second...arises the opportunity for one big ol' hyperslap to rain down upon you :lol: :twisted:

Haha i see you point, I feel bravado-y. There's no knowing what direction things will take as I continue.
These words will prepare me for my future journeys so thanks again for taking the time to share