Short trip with harmala

[PsiLulu]

Hello psychonauts,

After about 18 months of complete interruption, I vaped a couple weeks ago 30mg of freebase spice. 30min before that, I took 30mg of harmala cristals sublingual as I always did in the past to get a 60-90min flight.

My harmala cristals are 3 to 4 years old, I store them in a small jar. I did not see any difference in the way they looked or in the smell. The taste was normal.1

I was not able to take all the spice in because I vaped a brown crystal that gave me very harsh smoke and I started coughing but I took in nearly all of it, at least enough to have a breakthrough.

But my flight was much shorter than 90min, it lasted about 20min which I found very weird.

At the end of the trip, some spice entities were telling me to never come back and the trip just shut down very quickly.

So I am wondering... why was the flight so short?

Is it possible that the harmala are too old? Or is it that it was not the right time and the entities decided to shut it down simply?

Or, as for the first time before a flight I took a matcha about 20min before, maybe there's a weird interaction between the matcha, harmala and spice?

It's true that I was not in 100% the right set and setting, but overall the experience was really nice.

Plus, when I came down, I vaped the rest of the spice left in my GVG and I took off for 10 additional minutes with a very nice and warm experience.

Any ideas before I try again?

Thanks!

 

[Deleted member 73149]

90 minutes trip with a single toke? With sublingual harmalas? To me it's totally impossible, I'm much more in line with your 20 min.

 

[Sakkadelic]

Yeah I too would expect shorter trip with 30 mg sublingual harmalas, similar to changa duration.

How intense was the trip in the past and how did it change after 30 min, 60 min, 90 min..? Could it be that before you were staying still and allowing the trip to last longer and now you ended it abruptly? At low doses/comedown it's possible to mentally diminish the effects.

A full oral harmala dose can result in 60-90 min trip.

 

[PsiLulu]

Sorry, I was not clear enough. I did not take one toke but several. I meant that I did not smoke all the spice. But again, maybe you are right and the duration of the flight was short because the last big toke was expelled too early due to me coughing .

All my flights have two parts: one part in dmt world (breakthrough - sharp geometric abstract structures/entities and those weird echo sounds including in general carnival vibes) followed by a more shroom-like sequence (the carnival goes away to my left and is replaced with less abstract and more organic psychedelic visuals). I'd say 15-30min in the first phase, the rest in shroom-like mode.

I alway stay still and open my eyes when I feel that the effects are too weak to go on. I did a research in my trip reports and found trace of durations going between 45min and 90min.

I'll try again making sure that I don't get brown spice in the mix .

@Sakka, when you mention full oral harmala, you mean about 150mg oral? I used this only once with shrooms, never with DMT, 30mg sublingual always seemed enough to me.

Thanks for your help!

 

[Sakkadelic]

@Sakka, when you mention full oral harmala, you mean about 150mg oral? I used this only once with shrooms, never with DMT, 30mg sublingual always seemed enough to me.

Yes 150 mg or moar, vaporhuasca!
Oral harmalas would give a thorough inhibition throughout the body, in the lungs, blood and brain, protecting the dmt wherever it passes.
30 mg sublingual is plenty. The highest MAO concentration is in the gut and a significant part of an oral dose is spent there, so the amount that reaches the brain is maybe comparable to that from a lower sublingual dose.
Another point is how well a sublingual dose is absorbed, harmala salts are better than freebase in that regard, but any amount that is swallowed is practically wasted.