HCL salting of D-limonene question

[defunkt]

SWIM has been studying 69ron's HCL and acetate d-limonene tek and close to trying it out but SWIM is still a little bit confused about two different formulas for the HCL salting phase.

Ron's tek calls for 20ML of water added to 5ML of 10% HCL for each salting phase which according to Futura gives you a PH of 0.5 and a PH of 1.5 once added to the d-limo. If that's right, that's about 100 drops of 10% per 20ML water.

Futura calls for 9 drops of 10% HCL per 200ML which he says gives him a PH of 3.0 and a PH of 6.0 when added to the d-limo. This is an ideal PH according to him.

If SWIM followed Ron's formula, that would mean 1000 drops of 10% HCL per 200ML vs 9 drops of 10% HCL per 200ML. That's a huge difference!

Can someone give some insight here? Should SWIM just follow Ron's tek and clean up the high alkaloid salt with acetone and 99% IPA? SWIM would rather clean up a high yield with lots of alkaloids then take a chance of a low yield but Futura may be right.

Thanks!

 

[dg]

it really doesn't matter.
add acid until the solution it titrated to about 6.
use 30% muriatic outa the bottle, or dilute it to whatever mole you like


honestly, the chemistry involved is not too much to learn. i recomend never blindly following a "tek" like you are baking food.

 

[Blue]

Word up in dreams is that a simple method for clean mescaline hcl is to mix an a spoon full(too much probably) calcium chloride with 50ml(maybe too much?) lab grade or freshly distilled acetone making the acetone anhydrous, and then adding 2-3 drops(in a dream more than that will result in a brown/gooey product) of lab grade 12 molar HCl to the acetone. Quickly mix and then mix in with limo. The mescaline hcl will crash out as white crystals in the limo. Wait at 15 min. After waiting add some water to the mixture and mix. The mescaline hcl and acetone will be collected by the water. Use a sep funnel or something similar to separate the water/acetone/mescaline layer from the limo layer. Then let the water and acetone evaporate and you will be left with white/tan mescaline hcl crystals. Anyway, it's a dream that seems to have not ended.

I know this doesn't directly answer your questions. Cleaning up a "high" yield can and most probably will result in a "low" yield. And I agree with dg, pick of a general chemistry textbook. Ebbing's General Chemistry is a fine place to start, and then perhaps SWIM should try both.

 

[dg]

Word up in dreams is that a simple method for clean mescaline hcl is to mix an a spoon full(too much probably) calcium chloride with 50ml(maybe too much?) lab grade or freshly distilled acetone making the acetone anhydrous, and then adding 2-3 drops(in a dream more than that will result in a brown/gooey product) of lab grade 12 molar HCl to the acetone. Quickly mix and then mix in with limo. The mescaline hcl will crash out as white crystals in the limo. Wait at 15 min. After waiting add some water to the mixture and mix. The mescaline hcl and acetone will be collected by the water. Use a sep funnel or something similar to separate the water/acetone/mescaline layer from the limo layer. Then let the water and acetone evaporate and you will be left with white/tan mescaline hcl crystals. Anyway, it's a dream that seems to have not ended.

I know this doesn't directly answer your questions. Cleaning up a "high" yield can and most probably will result in a "low" yield. And I agree with dg, pick of a general chemistry textbook. Ebbing's General Chemistry is a fine place to start, and then perhaps SWIM should try both.

similar to gassing, direct from the np

problem: crystals form with inclusions of the np. requiring massive clean-up.yuck

 

[defunkt]

Thanks for the reply. This sounds a little too advanced still and SWIM will first try both teks outlined above since he already ordered 10% HCL and lab grade acetone and 99% IPA is on the way as well so SWIM should be all set for now. A good PH meter may be a good next purchase for increased accuracy.

SWIM will post results after he applies both methods to his p. torch material.

 

[dg]

Thanks for the reply. This sounds a little too advanced still and SWIM will first try both teks outlined above since he already ordered 10% HCL and lab grade acetone and 99% IPA is on the way as well so SWIM should be all set for now. A good PH meter may be a good next purchase for increased accuracy.

SWIM will post results after he applies both methods to his p. torch material.

i never use my nice ph meter here, just cheapo wide range ph papers, under $10

 

[mikeAtHome]

"i never use my nice ph meter here, just cheapo wide range ph papers, under $10"

Too true. It's a real PITA when you're dealing with new volumes or A/B conjugates because you don't have a "feel" for it and wind up going thru a lot of paper, taking a long time to hit your mark and then overshooting it anyway. But if you read the reviews on Amazon for any of the ph meters selling for under $250, everyone is complaining. I honestly don't know how any of them get over a 2 star rating but they do. But when you go to read the reviews, they are all negative - especially for folks who really need accurate ph. The folks using them for their swimming pools find them convenient and don't really know how off they are because the consequences are low. But the hydroponics folks, e.g., are never satisfied. To be fair, the "swimming pool" folks might actually be getting a semi-accurate reading because they measure within a fairly tight range. But doing a titration means it's got to cover say ph 13 down to 5 and that really messes with the cheap meter's accuracy.