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Spark999

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Hello all, I’m new here and absolutely love this forum. Huge attaboy to the creators from the bottom of my heart! This is my first forum interaction but I’ve been creeping around soaking up as much of this great knowledge as I possibly could, and still have so much to learn. On my third extraction now and so far so good, I’m curious though… Has anyone ever done an extraction mixing Acacia and Mimosa powder together, thus changing the clothing dye? Are there differences?
 

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Spark999…

Did you use Acacia confusa?
I used mimosa hostilis in the pic, but I I picked up the acacia confusa dye and the mimosa hostilis dye. I wanna see the differences in how the colors feel between each one, and I couldn’t help myself so I mixed together a 100g of each to extract, I’m curious if they will create different perty colors and make my clothes feel like they’re in a different land, a land I like to call Lego Land
 
I’m not experienced with confusa so can’t say for sure, but it does contain significant amounts of NMT so I imagine that can effect how it crystallizes etc but I’m sure others can chime in with experience.
 
It's likely to get goo with acacia confusa, but if you do a mini AB you'll have better chances getting xtals.
Check the cleanup steps, the mini AB is described there, the pictures seem to be gone though.
 
It's likely to get goo with acacia confusa, but if you do a mini AB you'll have better chances getting xtals.
Check the cleanup steps, the mini AB is described there, the pictures seem to be gone though.
I’ll check that out. So I just tried a little extraction, it came out with a mixture of white and yellow. There was go there but it’s almost like it was alive because it separated itself. Those yellow chunks are actually dry, they are where the white and yellow didn’t separate. Super weird and awesome, I luv the experimenting part of this. Now I’m gonna rip on it…. Update to come.
When you say mini AB, is that something like the re-x at the end where you separate impurities and decant? I’m not familiar with the terms yet but I did do something like that with Naphtha.
 

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I’ll check that out. So I just tried a little extraction, it came out with a mixture of white and yellow. There was go there but it’s almost like it was alive because it separated itself. Those yellow chunks are actually dry, they are where the white and yellow didn’t separate. Super weird and awesome, I luv the experimenting part of this. Now I’m gonna rip on it…. Update to come.
When you say mini AB, is that something like the re-x at the end where you separate impurities and decant? I’m not familiar with the terms yet but I did do something like that with Naphtha.
Awesome!

A mini ab is, after completing your pulls, instead of freeze precipitation directly, you mix the dmt rich naphtha with acidic water, the dmt will transfer to the acidic water, and then seperate it from the now depleted naphtha, this is called backsalting. After that you base the acidic solution and pull with fresh naphtha, then proceed with freeze precipitation.
 
Awesome!

A mini ab is, after completing your pulls, instead of freeze precipitation directly, you mix the dmt rich naphtha with acidic water, the dmt will transfer to the acidic water, and then seperate it from the now depleted naphtha, this is called backsalting. After that you base the acidic solution and pull with fresh naphtha, then proceed with freeze precipitation.
Oh ok, like a vinegar or salt water mixture? What kind of ratio are we talking, like a 1:1? I’m gonna assume heat is still our friend here. Then base it with lye and proceed with fresh naphtha before freeze precipitation? I’m brand new to this so excuse me if I’m way off. I definitely appreciate you engaging with this newbie
 
Oh ok, like a vinegar or salt water mixture? What kind of ratio are we talking, like a 1:1? I’m gonna assume heat is still our friend here. Then base it with lye and proceed with fresh naphtha before freeze precipitation? I’m brand new to this so excuse me if I’m way off. I definitely appreciate you engaging with this newbie
No worries mate, here it's all about helping each other.
Just water and distilled white vinegar, i'd go for a 50/50 mix. When backsalting, cold is better since the goal is to push the dmt out of the naphtha and into the acidic water and cold will reduce the solubility of dmt in naphtha. Yes, after removing the old naphtha, base the acidic dmt water with lye and pull with new naphtha, and here yes a warm water bath would help.

I'll copy the detailed steps from the link i shared here. The only note I have is in step 4 50g lye seems like overkill, I would still make the lye solution but add just enough to turn the dmt solution milky, then add a little bit more for good measure.

CLEAN UP STEPS
Step 1
In a glass bottle with a thin neck approx 1ltr in size , in this bottle place approx 500ml water with you're choice of acid to get a ph 2-3 as before !

Step 2
place into this acidic water you're naphtha pulls that has been pulled from the basic soup !


Important
Now rock or swirl this gently for as long as it takes to fully exchange the saturated naps to the acidic water
( roughly 10-15 mins ) :!: important pls read below ... !
When mixing the dmt enriched nps with the acidic water the fat content and some minuet plant dust ( depending on how finely powdered the bark ) will seperate in between the two layers and if shaken violently or roughly it can break up the brown fatty substance into smaller pieces which will then get caught up and form a fatty emulsion which will be very hard to break and can trap valuable dmt enriched liquid so please mix cautiously ! :thumb_up:

Step 3
Now pipette or siphon out all the naphtha along with the brown fatty liquid that sits animated in between the two layers and discard this as it contains the plant fats and oils and no longer contains any alkaloids !!

Now the 500ml acidic water solution contains the dmt !

Step 4
Now get 200ml water add to this 50g of lye and add this to the acidic solution , it will turn white & milky straight away and dmt will crash out of the mix and flout around in the solution so we need to top off the bottle with a futher amount off water but just leave enough room for you're 50ml naphtha to fit !!



Step 5
Now just like with the extraction ....we need to mix and then let the solutions mix and separate upto 4 times with fresh hot naphtha .......now it will be very saturated and will turn white and thick as soon as it hits the cool pipette or syringe ) this is the dmt crashing out at a cooler temp .........now do this at least 4-5 times and this shaking won't cause an emulsion !
You will notice the pulls are crystal clear


You will notice there seems to be a white fatty layer between the water and new solvent , this is normal ! It is a mix of dmt particles and mostly of fat that seems to still make it through the Backsalting stage !
Now with every pull it will get thinner just don't suck any off it up !
Do this until the mix is no longer white or until the mix is not any longer giving any dmt , I usually do about 5x pulls and place all 5 pulls in one precip dish !



Step 6
Now pre evap with a fan or fresh air from a open window blowing air across the dish until half the liquid has evaporated or until naphtha turns milky ( but don't just go off the liquid turning milky as it will turn milky with any cool air blowing over the dish ) so go off the volume



Step 7
Now cover with plastic wrap or with anything that creates a air tight , watertight seal ! Large ziplock bags even if there's no other way and then freeze for 18+ hrs then once you get it out the freezer tip the naphtha of the top then place dish side on then fan dry
(please do this as quick as possible ) , after a couple of hours drying you then can scrape then smoke ! Good luck !
 
No worries mate, here it's all about helping each other.
Just water and distilled white vinegar, i'd go for a 50/50 mix. When backsalting, cold is better since the goal is to push the dmt out of the naphtha and into the acidic water and cold will reduce the solubility of dmt in naphtha. Yes, after removing the old naphtha, base the acidic dmt water with lye and pull with new naphtha, and here yes a warm water bath would help.

I'll copy the detailed steps from the link i shared here. The only note I have is in step 4 50g lye seems like overkill, I would still make the lye solution but add just enough to turn the dmt solution milky, then add a little bit more for good measure.
That is just awesome, just learning about this stuff is so exciting. This started about a month ago when I tried some that was floating around my area, and it was garbage. I had wasted my money, so I learned how to make it myself. I’m so glad I did because WOW! It is so much fun when it’s quality. Next I’m working on getting it into a cartridge that goes onto a vape pen, have you any experience with that?. But man I appreciate the time you have shared with me, many thanks.
 
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