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[highlightprotein]

Hi, I am highlightprotein. SWIM uses mushrooms every week and would like to start using DMT and mescaline. SWIM is here to learn more about these substances as well as extractions. Currently SWIM would like to try a CIELO or limonene extraction on cacti.

 

[shroombee]

Hello and welcome!

No need to use "SWIM". And as someone who has done plenty of limonene and CIELO extractions, CIELO is the way to go. CIELO is a much simpler process and requires less equipment.

 

[highlightprotein]

Hello and welcome!

No need to use "SWIM". And as someone who has done plenty of limonene and CIELO extractions, CIELO is the way to go. CIELO is a much simpler process and requires less equipment.

Hi Shroombee, I'm working through your CIELO thread now. Thanks for the work you've done on it. I'm currently leaning towards CIELO because it would appear that it results in mostly mescaline, compared to 69ron's limonene/vinegar tek which he says results in multiple alkaloids that need to be further cleaned with cold MEK. The only thing I dislike is having to use ethyl acetate instead of limonene. I hope to give it a shot soon and will report my results in your thread.

Do you just buy ethyl acetate from your hardware store or are you purchasing USP stuff online? I was planning on using the hardware store stuff- is it ok?

 

[shroombee]

The only thing I dislike is having to use ethyl acetate instead of limonene. I hope to give it a shot soon and will report my results in your thread.

Do you just buy ethyl acetate from your hardware store or are you purchasing USP stuff online? I was planning on using the hardware store stuff- is it ok?

Ethyl acetate is MUCH easier to work with than limonene. EA evaporates quickly and cleanly whereas limonene doesn't evaporate, is "leaky", and is not as easy as EA to clean from jars, bowls, etc. You'll see when you catch your mescaline citrate in a coffee filter and set it aside to dry. It dries clean in ~30 minutes. So much nicer than having to evaporate vinegar/HCl salting water decanted from limonene if you're using 69ron's tek.

EA is safe for food processing. It is commonly used for decaffeinating coffee beans - it evaporates with no residue. As far as USP versus hardware store stuff, I can't get "MEK substitute" where I live so I purchase the ACS/USP grade ethyl acetate online. I believe everyone else is using the hardware store stuff.

So the question is, how clean is the hardware stuff? I don't know - using it doesn't seem to bother anyone. You might post that as a separate question.

And if you do try CIELO, I recommend you run the first batch with 25-50 grams powder to ensure the tek works for you before running a larger batch. Depending on the cactus, there is a chance the mescaline citrate won't easily precipitate. We haven't totally figured that out yet.

 

[Voidmatrix]

Salutations!

You came to a great place to learn!

Looks like you're already getting a lesson here from good ol' shroombee :thumb_up:

What are your psychedelic goals? What kinds of journeys are you having with your weekly shroom regimen?

Have you tasted the spice yet? What did you think?

Same with mesc? Have you tried it before?

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[highlightprotein]

Ethyl acetate is MUCH easier to work with than limonene.

I've decided to go with CIELO. As you mentioned it seems easier than the limonene, requiring fewer steps. I especially like how it precipitates out of solution rather than having to evaporate vinegar or HCl.

And if you do try CIELO, I recommend you run the first batch with 25-50 grams powder to ensure the tek works for you before running a larger batch. Depending on the cactus, there is a chance the mescaline citrate won't easily precipitate. We haven't totally figured that out yet.

Good to know, thanks.

What are your psychedelic goals? What kinds of journeys are you having with your weekly shroom regimen?

Have you tasted the spice yet? What did you think?

Same with mesc? Have you tried it before?

I am so far being fairly conservative with the mushrooms. I started off with a really low dose and am slowly increasing it each week. This last week I did 1.75g for this first time and had a great time. I plan to continue increase by 0.3g per week.

So far, I'm just having some fun times going outside and watching nature. At least at my level of dosing, I haven't really experienced any great insights or things like that. I would say my goals are simple at this point, to just explore what the mushroom does.

I tried vaporized DMT when I was younger, but I never had a breakthrough experience. I would be more interested in doing some kind of ayahuasca or pharmahuasca now, simply because I prefer a longer lasting experience.

I tried some kind of San Pedro tea/concoction while I was younger but I probably did something wrong, as I just puked and didn't feel much of anything.

 

[shroombee]

Looks like you're already getting a lesson here from good ol' shroombee

8)

I am so far being fairly conservative with the mushrooms. I started off with a really low dose and am slowly increasing it each week. This last week I did 1.75g for this first time and had a great time. I plan to continue increase by 0.3g per week.

Starting low and slowly increasing... Great plan! Last year I did a lot of intense work with mushrooms, starting with 2.0 grams and increasing by about 30-35% every two weeks. After dosing I would sit on my meditation bench, waiting for the mushrooms to take effect and then trying to continue meditating up to 2 hours. It obviously becomes difficult to meditate at higher doses. I did train myself after several months to handle 14 grams dry and later ~160 grams fresh.

When you get over 2.0 grams, you might want to give yourself up to 2 weeks between journeys, as it can take up to 2 weeks for tolerance to totally go back to zero. Everyone is different though. And as you will begin having insights and mind opening experiences, having the 2 weeks between journeys and regular integration practices such as journaling, meditation, yoga, walks in nature, a good friend to talk to, etc will help you benefit the most from the experiences.

Cheers!

 

[Voidmatrix]

I am so far being fairly conservative with the mushrooms. I started off with a really low dose and am slowly increasing it each week. This last week I did 1.75g for this first time and had a great time. I plan to continue increase by 0.3g per week.

So far, I'm just having some fun times going outside and watching nature. At least at my level of dosing, I haven't really experienced any great insights or things like that. I would say my goals are simple at this point, to just explore what the mushroom does.

I tried vaporized DMT when I was younger, but I never had a breakthrough experience. I would be more interested in doing some kind of ayahuasca or pharmahuasca now, simply because I prefer a longer lasting experience.

I tried some kind of San Pedro tea/concoction while I was younger but I probably did something wrong, as I just puked and didn't feel much of anything.

Very nice. I like it. I tend to eat far few mushrooms in a sitting than I used to. Always enjoyable. I have a high sensitivity anyway. And now that I think about it, the last few times I didn't weigh how much I ate, I just kind of let my intuition guide me.

Nature is one of my favorite things on almost any psychedelic The mushroom will certainly show a lot.

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