Help needed - malevolent force encountered

[Whatis]

I'm still coming down from perhaps the weirdest trip ever

It's weird because I have no fear but this encounter placed me before or within a truly malevolent consuming force.

The trip started beautifully. I was being shown the origin of something extraordinary. A truly wonderful spirit. It was something to do with growth and nature. I was breathing with her. She was in my throat. I felt the desire to sing her creation to the world. I was completely open and she was inside me. As I was breathing she was communicating through me, entering my being.

Then it creapt up. A dark red entity. :twisted: As I was breathing through this spirit, it tried to enter me. Perhaps it was a trick. I saw it coming and closed off, and almost laughed at it for its attempt. I smiled at it as it glared meanacingly at me. It was truly evil and outside myself. A concept I didn't really believe in until now. Suddenly it multiplied in a cancerous like fashion. Big blotches of ugly red and brown started smothering everything. The brilliant light of hyperspace felt gone forever. I remember the thought coming in I need to get on the nexus because hyperspace is in trouble! It felt like a battle had been lost. And the concept of 'I am everything' was shattered because this force only wanted one thing and that was destruction.

Yet despite this I felt absoulutely no fear. In fact I felt nothing.

Quite simply - what the fuck?! I consider myself quite an experience traveller, and up to this point have been blessed with some truly profound experiences - but this one has put me in the middle of a hyper dimensional battle. Any negative experiences I have had up until today have felt about me or perhap my egoic journey through my own existence on planet earth, but this experience felt utterly beyond me and represented a cosmic battle of some kind.

Nature vs destruction perhaps?

Cancer?

I'd love to hear your thoughts. I'm gunna need some experienced help to integrate this one

 

[endlessness]

Hey!

Please read this if you haven't yet: DMT-Nexus Wiki:Health and Safety - DMT-Nexus Wiki

Hope it helps you!

Know that you're not alone, many people have had different 'evil' experiences, and it can surprise even very experienced travelers.. There are different ways to try and deal with it.. To start with, its great that you came here trying to get support to integrate it. Hopefully the link can help you more and you can turn such experiences into something to make you learn and be stronger!

Be well!

 

[pau]

"Cancer?"
Maybe a cancer operating on the psychological level?

"Yet despite this I felt absoulutely no fear. In fact I felt nothing."
Maybe you beat the cancer???

If that happened to me, I'd feel good about it!

 

[Akasha224]

Reminds me of this:

Interdimensional parasites, (alien, demon, etc) - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

 

[Felnik]

I've encountered stuff like many times now and have yet
to figure out any correlation to set or setting .

My observations of this kind of entity encounter has only been that
It always feels like something coming in from outside the self. But we know
That's the big bone of contention. As hard as I try not to see it that way it's always the same.
I know many people know what I'm saying here.
They or it feel like a parasitic thing of some kind something that feeds or
takes something. I've felt an overwhelming sense of indifference from these things.
They seem harsh and cold , we seem to represent some kind of opportunity to them . I have tried
over time to understand this but it's so beyond weirdness that I almost
reserve a special area of provisional understanding in myself for this where I can
entertain all kinds of wild theories . Once again I only go by my own repeated evolvement
with this kind of phenomenon. When this occurs there is always some sense in myself
that this is " not good" . I feel like I need to trust that instinct as that feeling has never
changed when I encounter one of these aggressive things .

I don't want to get too crazy here but I will suggest to be careful of
Projecting too much stuff into this especially this idea of cancer or flaws in the self .
I've seen no correlations between set here . I've had these things show up on many
Different occasions under a wide variety of set and settings. I've found the best way to
deal is to not empower them in any way . Stay grounded and face them head on if they show up.
They can't hurt you it's what you choose to believe that can hurt you.

 

[Whatis]

Thanks for all the responses.

I have had a day to dwell on this experience and I'd like to discuss my musings if I may.

The truth, as far as I have experienced it so far, and all the pointings of my spiritual searching, both ethenogenic and otherwise have always lead to a oneness. Plant spirits, the god head, the dudes just hanging out eager to show stuff, the breaking down and visual representations of love, fun, light. Even the darker forces: scary looking entities trying to test me only to reveal some new beautiful insight. Swarms of red entities that seem to engulf and feed from attention. All seem to be a part of a cosmic system that has a single source, and is working together. And working together seems to be a key here. Even when there are things that seem irreconcilable with the system - the human ego likes to make things way more complicated that necessary - there is always a unity.

I have never believed in absolute evil. Is seems such a crude argument. Violence, rage and anger - a programme that exists from our earlier evolution, and is triggered in moments of separation. Rape - the malevolent male ego going bonkers, genocide - a powerful collection of people with poisonous egos going bonkers, paedophilia - mental illness coupled with a current cultural witch hunt. But beneath these and others there is the seed of truth and light. And everything is fundamentaly connected. A cosmic evolutionary play with pure love and Oneness and light at a single sourced point, creating everything, always.

Of course I may be right or wrong on the above and would change any of these view points in light of new evidence, like a good little scientist. And interpretation is often tricky and must not be left to the ego, but one thing always remains constant, the vastness of Oneness, and that human opposition to what is, (hence my name), or the present, only separates the ego and causes fear and pain.

Yesterday challenged this view point a bit. I have had dark experiences before, and they felt about me, but yesterday felt like it was beyond. Parasitic is a good adjective that others have suggested. In retrospect, I suppose they could be part of Oneness, (perhaps it was a spirit of something or other trying to teach a lesson.) But it felt truly maleovant with humanities destuction as it's sole purpose.

And that has shocked me the most. This entity doesn't fit into my understanding of hyperspace, where boundless love and joy is the air and everything ultimately cares endlessly for creation. They felt like they should not be there. They felt like an intruder of hyperspace, hence my weird thought of 'hyperspace is in trouble!' I wanted to battle. I felt like they had no power, because I had no fear yet they had multiplied in their thousands in a matter of moments, completely blocking/consuming all the light and love. It felt like a battle of biblical proportions.

The way it tied to enter me also puzzles. Whilst I was in intimate communication with a precious, delicate, beautiful entity, some sort of fragile nature. And as I was open and breathing with it it tried to sneak into me. The reaction to reject it was instinctual. I barely saw it coming. Perhaps a bit of it even got in. I have had a weird sensation in my throat all day. Probably psychosomatic but who the hell knows. :/

I have been setting up to experiment with solo aya/pharma for a while now, but this experience has definately made me think twice. I know the amazonian shamans believe in evil spirits. Perhaps I should heed their experience and only experiment in the company of experience...

 

[Global]

Unraveling Negative Entities

DMT and Attention (negative entity mitigation)

 

[null24]

Good post, whatis. It seems to me that you have a pretty good grasp of this whole thing. In my view, what you encountered is what we, as living beings, see as 'true evil'. An all consuming (literally) force counter to the loving force of creation. However, that perception is only ours because as living beings existent in a three dimensional reality, we fear this thing. Death, decay, the consumption of a living thing to feed the manifestation of and make room for another. This is terrifying to encounter. I too have smiled in the face of this and felt it 'laugh'back at me and impotent attempt to fight it. I live because it has not yet consumed me, but each day my body decays a little more...

 

[SKA]

I'm still not sure either, wether I am everything or not. Wether the beings I perceive
in DMT experiences are outside of myself or parts of myself I have become alienated from.

But let's suppose these entities, good and bad, ARE part of our own consciousness:
You could say this evil is a part of you to, just a part you have become alienated from.
So much that you don't recognise it as yourself. Or perhaps there is denial involved,
out of shame of the idea your soul could harbour such vile hatred.

In this view I would see this evil as diseased, distorted parts of the soul.
Parts of consciousness that have become Ego. They need to be destroyed and
purged from the soul, to make way for new, healthy soul to grow back in it's place.



In the other view these forces/entities, good and bad, would be external.
It would render us helpless and dependant on external help, which may never come,
and open & vurnerable to attacks from enemies we cannot fight or even see(most of the time).
I don't like this view very much. I much prefer the former,



but which is true? I don't know, but I tend to lean towards the first view:
These monsters are parts of our souls that we denie, out of fear and shame.
That would also synch with Carl Jung's concept of "The Shadow" of our subconscious mind.




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Tips I can give you for facing and defeating these demons:
-Find inner peace. When they scare or seduce you, do not respond. Like a stone, remain still.
-Know they are only deceivers. If you understand that well enough you will lose your fear for them.
-Sing if you feel pressured. Certain melodies may call on other forces/entities. It helped me.

 

[skoobysnax]

I wanted to share this with you. It was singularly the scariest entity I have ever encountered. "As above, so below" is my belief in any dimension. My first Changa and the Demons of War - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus I believe in energy eating entities that generate fear responses in order to create conditions that allow them to feed especially on the level of human atrocities and war. I think these kinds of encounters teach us to be warriors of light here on earth as we strive to be in hyperspace. Courage, a heart that uses love as a verb and a solid personal relationship with our protector spirits is what carried me through the journey in the link.

 

[Infectedstyle]

Then it creapt up. A dark red entity. Twisted Evil As I was breathing through this spirit, it tried to enter me. Perhaps it was a trick. I saw it coming and closed off, and almost laughed at it for its attempt. I smiled at it as it glared meanacingly at me. It was truly evil and outside myself. A concept I didn't really believe in until now. Suddenly it multiplied in a cancerous like fashion. Big blotches of ugly red and brown started smothering everything. The brilliant light of hyperspace felt gone forever. I remember the thought coming in I need to get on the nexus because hyperspace is in trouble! It felt like a battle had been lost. And the concept of 'I am everything' was shattered because this force only wanted one thing and that was destruction.

I believe I know what is going on. So please take my words to heart. I think it's a good thing you came to here because maybe hyperspace is more dangerous than most of us initially thought. And I do not mean to scare you I just mean to state facts.

I understood your earlier experience perfectly. Only, this section I quote I see from another perspective than you did. In my perspective said entity that you call "outside yourself" is actually inside your body. You didn't state where you say it entered your body/spirit. But in my perspective the entity "is" that part of ur body. I apologize if this is misguided. The breathing spirit is an entrance point and a joyful gift to that energy and it naturally wants to reach out and find union with this energy. I think you insulted it deeply by laughing at it in the way you did. Only because it was dark red and ugly did you deny it any entrance into ur true spirit. Laughing at it made things worse and the dangerous aspect of it all is leaving this unattented. A battle lost indeed, but not the war. I truly believe (and believe you won't) leaving this unattented might result in cancer. But maybe that is too paranoid. But surely, the concept of "I am everything" was lost as soon as you mistook this energy as something outside of yourself. I think the alternative to this all was taking the energy to heart and transforming it into the most beautiful potential that said energy and your spirit can possibly co-create.

Also, Global's "Unraveling Entities" came to mind while thinking of one possible outcome.

I don't mean to scare you but the throat is that part of the body regulating the autoimmune system. I suppose this train of thought is more or less a philosophy that I feel can be a useful asset for all of us in this forum. So here we go: All kinds of autoimmune disease including cancer are essentially associated with malfunctions from glands in the chest and the throat. (The Vishuddha and the Anahata Chakras) I feel this is an important connection when dealing with said entities.

I feel that the union with entities, immune system and the chakras is an important one to consider. Especially in light of recent suggestions from our (Forum members, I believe) that DMT is intimately related with regulations in the immune system. Which gives another Physiological clue that I have been wrestling with. And DMT-Nexus is the only place I know of where people have access to the information that I have been using in my thought.

EDIT: This last part I feel is more important than the first part. Since I am currently battling an internal disease with a solid amount of mucus and spit. I am doubting the level of deceit caused by the entities. I thought it was impossible for them to lie but they may be more deceitful then i originally thought. This may sound paranoid to some but this is how i experience it.

I had a dream that said to me to keep quiet about what I am personaly going through. I think i'll heed this advice. I feel like I am winning the battle otherwise I may want to scream for help but in loads of ways I feel healthy there's just a part of me that is fortunately getting weaker and has less and less control over me. I think it tried to take over completely. This is my biggest fear. Come to think of it, harmalas.. I have some freebase lying around. I believe this is the medicine I need... Can't believe I forgot it, how stupid of mine. I want to take freebase harmine and ketamine is there anyone here with experience in this combo I may need some personal guidance? Don't mean to sound melodramatic but I literally keep thinking I am on the verge of dying and it's very physical my danger sensors keep popping up. You should have seen the way my jaw vibrates it literally feels like it might explode and what evil i feel inside my while typing this cry for help. Possibily of an instant heart attack is considered.

Lol. I actually think it is pretty funny. The way I feel I can make myself feel vibrant strong and healthy with good outlook but it is only a very slight corner for me to feel like I am dying. It is insane but actually kind of funny