help - struggling to get the quintessential experience

[flanigan]

good morning,

after a recently performed extraction, over the past few weeks i have had a variety of experiences on dmt, but i still feel like i haven't got the most from this very wonderful substance.

i've tried it around twenty times with doses ranging from 10-100mg. the smaller doses were great, very nice visuals, especially in the outdoors.

the trouble is with the larger doses. as the dmt sweeps over me i can only recount the first minute of the experience. the next five are very intense but there is not one single thing i can remember "seeing" in this period. i have intense feelings and floods of thought and information alongside the sensation that i have encountered something(s)/someone, but in terms of visuals, there is nothing.. only really darkness. the 5 minutes following are very pleasant with strong vivid open-eye visuals, but as to what has gone on previous i am really none-the-wiser.


in no way do i mean darkness in an emotional sense, i mean it in its literal form. all i saw or experienced was darkness. most trips were very euphoric and happy, although some seemed to be plauged by an unwillingness, or unability of my ego to let go, as if it was clinging desperately to reality (those trips were >60mg dose)

that aside, there are endless trip reports of people being able to describe all kinds of weird and wonderful things that they saw, and to be honest, i am awash with jealousy.


has anyone else had a similar experience? i would greatly appreciate any advice on how to improve my experience and overall memory of what has happened in my fleeting moments in hyperspace.

thanks

 

[Felnik]

I might suggest adding caapi leaf , or caapi tea to the mix
Or make caapi changa . It's an important element in my book .
Helps with remembering among other things .

 

[۩]

Thread that may help Attn. If you're having a hard time breaking through read this. - First steps in Hyperspace - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus
Some more general info https://www.dmt-nexus.me/users/house/dmtdiagram.png

From reading your post I would suggest making changa with caapi leaves. Infuse the DMT into the leaf at a 1:1 ratio or mix in some mullein.
This gives you synergy with the harmala alkaloids. This will help a lot! The Changa subforum has great sticky threads on this.

You can also brew b. caapi tea and drink that before vaping which would also help.
Or if you feel like a long and slower journey add the DMT to the caapi brew.

Felnik knows whats up! Just remember not to mix harmalas with SSRI anti depressants for at least 2 weeks and dont mix with MDMA or dissociatives. More info in the FAQ on this topic.

 

[flanigan]

thanks, i'll give it a try

 

[Global]

How are you smoking the DMT? Regardless of the method, you should probably never get anywhere near 100mg. With upper end dosages like that, it's no surprise you don't remember experiencing anything, but there should be some happy medium. I'd work on trying to perfect your experience within the 20-40mg range.

 

[flanigan]

i've read that thread before, i wouldnt really class it as struggling to "breakthrough", i know i've reached "that place", i have an mg scale, and a smoking method that ensures i take it all in one breath. the problem is more in the recollection of the breakthrough, and in the larger doses in realising what is even going on at the time.

i like the sound of the caapi leaf, hopefully it will slow the whole thing down and enable me to process whats happening.

hopefully get some delivered this week and ill let you know how i get on, appreciate the advice, cheers guys

 

[۩]

Try some vine for tea, too!

 

[flanigan]

the smoking method is the phucket method as it is known in belfast, some people would call it a waterfall or a gravity bong i think. a socket top with wire gauze is used as a bowl and placed at the top of a 2litre bottle filled with water and a hole at the bottom.nthe dmt is sandwiched in layers of ash, and vaporized as the water is released. the top is then removed and inhaled in one large breath.

do larger doses usually result in more problems with memory?

 

[flanigan]

im thinkin my smoking method may be "too efficient" if there is such a thing. exaggerating the effects of the larger doses

 

[۩]

Most people say yes.

 

[indydude19]

I have had a similar experience a couple times.

Once i had 10 minutes of black minded blankness that made me want to go to sleep after smoking 70 mg while cocaine was in my system. Another time i did it on coke, it was like i was on an alien examination table and they saw the soke as an unknown foreign and toxic substance in me and wanted to help get it out but didn't know what to do.

Another time, i smoked the day after this experience, Recipe for Divine Ecstacy: Interdimensional Mecca and Mystical experience! - DMT Experiences - Welcome to the DMT-Nexus

i smoked a 70 mg dose and had a 10 minute period where there was just a ball of static in my mind and i felt a disorientation like i was on a weak salvia extract. I think it might have had something to do with my consumption of 5-HTP a few hours earlier, or my brain was just so drained from the past night that was all it could muster.

In regard to the personal sweet spot, mine is between 55-70 mg. this is just what gets ME to a personal spot of consistently great experiences.

I haven't had any other times like that though, are you on any sort of medications?

 

[flanigan]

no medication, the reason i decided to post this was because it happened to me again today at a dose of ~50mg. at around 4 in the afternoon, well rested, well fed etc, had't taken anything else, not even a smoke

 

[Earthwalker]

no medication, the reason i decided to post this was because it happened to me again today at a dose of ~50mg. at around 4 in the afternoon, well rested, well fed etc, had't taken anything else, not even a smoke

This happened to me when I was trying so hard to just have a great trip but instead I'd overdose of sorts and black out , take

globals advice and lower you're doses !!

 

[Global]

If you're smoking it out of a gravity bong then chances are you're waaaaay overdoing it. If you wanna continue to use that method, I would try severely dropping the dosage. Not only are you taking in a lot of DMT smoke, but there's a good chance you may be taking in a lot of burnt DMT smoke which can result in odd and unwanted side effects.

 

[flanigan]

The method comes from a popular way to get the most from small amounts of weed. After a few misfires my first few times with a machine and normal pipe, I became obsessed with gettin the exact amount of dmt in my lungs with no messing about. I suppose if it can make a small amount of weed so potent the same applies to any substance.
Smaller dose it is then, cheers for the help

 

[Global]

If after you lower your dose, your still having trouble with the visuals, it wouldn't hurt to switch up the kind of lighting you typically do it in either. Same for the room.