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help with 69ron's mescaline extraction--won't separate

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I followed 69ron's d-limonene mescaline extraction tek found here:

69ron's D-Limonene Mescaline Extraction - DMT-Nexus Wiki

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The change I made was to double the amount of all ingredients, so mine looked like this:

200 gr dried and finely powdered torch chips
50 gr calcium hydroxide (stuff bought at mexical grocery)
600 ml H20
600 ml d-limonene (ordered online from green terpene--pretty sure it's pure)

I have it all in a 1 gal glass jar because the wide mouth top made it easy to mix all ingredients together. I've now let it sit for a couple weeks and there's a very, very slight film of limonene on the top, the stuff still has the texture and appearance of playdough--very thick. I tried spooning a few cups of the stuff into a french press and was able to get a little bit of limonene out, but not much.

what are my options at this point? Should I heat it up in a double boiler and will the heat help it separate? Should I add some more Cal and H20 to try to thin it out a bit? Otherwise, the only thing I can think of is convert it to a wet tek using lye water like I normally do, but I'd really like to get this down because the food-grade ingredients are what appealed to me in the first place

any help would be appreciated

cheers!
 
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Swim is no expert when it comes to this tek, but he plans on trying it soon. Leaving the mix for a "couple weeks" doesnt sound like a great idea. The little water used could easily start to evap, possibly the limo also.
 
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It's my first extraction and I get quite the same problem here.
Any help would be appreciated as at this stage I just would like to have any yield instead of flushing everything down my toilet :=)

My thing went like that.
I mixed 105 grams of peruvian torch with 25 g of calcium hydroxide and 300 ml of water, blended it. Right after I poured 300 ml of orange oil and used blender to mix all ingredients. Within 3 minutes all ingredients combined and became very very thick like dough. As I was aware of not watering it, I just let it sit for 24 hours and when came back to give it a shake, it was like a jello. I tried to squeeze it manually through a tight (yes, women's lingerie), but only oil I could notice stayed on my hand. At least it was there, so I tried to make all that snot a bit more oily.


I thought that adding about 200 ml of orange oil and blended it would be a good idea. I wished to see any layer of d-limonene coming up. Instead, it's been absorbed completely by this green goo. I left it for another 24 hours and bought a french press, which has been used to filer the goo, which after 48 hours didn't really separate into layers. French press worked with squeezing, but there was a tiny problem it didn't filter much. Snot just became like a tooth paste after filtering.

Getting desperate I added 50 ml of water, blended it and left it for another 24 hours. Aside in small glasses I mixed a piece of this snot with water and in another one with 5% distilled vinegar. I just wished to see if that oil was gonna separate by any chance from the cactus mix. After couple of minutes oil has flown onto surface in glass with water, after whole night also vinegar pulled all d-limonene from the mix leaving very visible layer of orangey-brownish mescaline acetate at the bottom - here at least it looks like on pictures.

My question is what should I do now to finish extraction?

Is heating up a jar with cactus mix in a pan of water an option?
Is freezing a way to get a layer of d-limonene at the top?
Can I just dilute whole mix with vinegar and then suck it up with a syringe to get to mescaline acetate at the bottom?
Shall I water it and try to suck up d-limonene from the surface?
Squeeze this snot through a T-shirt? (Is this gonna be effective)?

I'm not very experienced in extracting, but I prefer to be patient than waste all my cactus by making silly move, cause I heard that sitting for a while is not the worst thing. I'm waiting for some suggestions then. Please, help :=)
 
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Using a french press to separate the liquid from the bulk of the solids and the filtering the liquid should do the trick. The t-shirt idea will be extremely wasteful- the resources lost (counting limonene price) would cost more than a cheap french press. And a french press can be used to make delicious coffee!
 
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Yo!
For few days I've been doing something very strange, but I figured it was my only chance to get any yield.
As my french press was useless with filtering solids, cause whole mix was just too thin (no solids) to separate d-limonene, I added vinegar to the mix and then filtered it through a woman's tight. Amazing experiment, which worked, although d-limonene was partially mixed with water and rest of stuff. Clearly, mescaline acetate was separated at the bottom (dark amber colour). I poured everything into shot glasses and then I just sucked up that impure d-limonene with a plastic syringe trying to get to mescaline acetate at the bottom :)

It's not easy and I still get some d-limonene flowing on the top, but at the moment I've got about 50 ml of acetate sitting in my small pyrex dish. I hope to collect at least 30-40 ml more from the mix and then use a syringe as a separatory funnel to cleanse it.

One question, do you think it's gonna be active? I mean, did vinegar really pull out mescaline from the mix or is this only my delusion?
I took some pictures.
 
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It is funny too, not your guys' problems, but my own original questioning of this tek's usage of "that much" Limonene. Well, the knuckle head swims friend is, never following techniques, always trying to improve upon them without first trying them properly, tried blending which obviously leads to more Limonene usage. It might happen anyway without blending. But the clear answer when Limonene gets sucked up and lost is simply to add more. This not only solves the problem, but it also seems to free up the lost limonene too. One can easily imagine an addition however of approximately 300ml Limonene with the tek, rendering the toal amount used to be 1200 ml per 100g cactus. Hope this helps... Anyway recap: to solve the problem of lost/disappearing Limonene: ADD more...
 
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That was my guess... however I wasn't sure doing first extraction in my life. I poured about 500-600 orange oil in total.
Now I know that blending might be used, but only for cactus, calcium hydroxide and water (smaller amount would be probably suitable - maybe as small as 200 ml). Then this dough should be left for 12-24 hours while calcium hydroxide just works it out. After that period d-limonene should be poured down and gently stirrred or mixed. That would help to separate d-limone with mescaline from the snot much easier, I'm thinking.

Well, I learnt it the hard way :)
Now I have to test my laboratory skills with strange mix of everything trying to separate my beloved substance.
I just hope this thread will help people, who are left with green goo in their jar.
 
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I have attempted a cactus stb tonight and I have these same issues about my limo being absorbed in the cactus lye mix. Here's what I've done so far:

First I added equal parts of lye:cactus in a glass jug. 500 grams each.

Mixed and added water. It was probably about 1300 ml.

Let sit for a couple hours then added 500 ml Limo and shook it up good.

Few hours later there is no emulsion but also there is absolutely no separation.

Added more lye and water (probably should of researched about what to do before I tried this not sure why I jumped to conclusions and tried that first). No separation still.

I'm going to bed and hopefully in the morning I will see some separating going on but seems doubtful.

Any ideas? If I had more limo I'd pour it in but I don't. Maybe I will have to buy some more and try that. Any suggestions or explanations would be very much appreciated. Thank you
 
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dance for ye are close!

keep trying!, keep the bassified pulp a pulp, not soup, however in your case if nothing else works, to retrieve your dlimo and punish your substrate, add more HOT water, set on a washer/dryer for a couple loads. recheck your sep levels
 
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Ok I added about 80 grams of salt (non iodized) and 2L of hot water.

About 12 hours later, and here is a picture. WHy do I have 4 layers?! Keep in mind I initially added 500ml of D-limonene. So there should be at the least, a 1-2 inch layer on top.

Not sure what is going on or what the plan of action should be. Could someone please help me?!!

Thanks!
 
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psillyrabbit said:
dance for ye are close!

keep trying!, keep the bassified pulp a pulp, not soup, however in your case if nothing else works, to retrieve your dlimo and punish your substrate, add more HOT water, set on a washer/dryer for a couple loads. recheck your sep levels
Click to expand...

That one did the trick for me. Putting it on the washing machine has breaked down most of the emulsions I got with the STB.
 
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For drytekkers trying to get their limo out of goop: add sodium carbonate by the spoonfull, mixing constantly until it separates. This works.

Landfish: it takes at least a day (sometimes more) for the lye to digest the cactus. If you wait the cactus goop should slack off and turn more watery as it breaks down, and it will give fewer emulsion problems. I think you just need to wait, and maybe add more base.
 
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Thanks for the advice. I'm gonna try to add some sodium carbonate right now. I probably should have waited at least a few more hours to add the Limo. It just seemed super watery after 6 hours I figured it was good to go.. Sometimes I am impatient and do dumb things while extracting. Not smart. I don't know about adding more base though. It is based the hell out. Way more than 1:1 now. Though afterwords I think I definitely screwed up by trying to fix it by adding more water. Ended up not mixing so well with everything after it all settled, and I just got more layers, and it probably brought the ph down. I just figured the water would pull everything down and free the Limo.

With my last 300 grams I am going to use KOH instead. Seems like people say it's much better at preventing emulsions for the cactus. It's nice too that I can just go buy it at the hydro store down the street. I am going to be weary of shaking vigorously though like I read so many people like to do. I want to because it seems like the best way to mix the solvent in. I think I will at least mix cautiously for the first couple of pulls. Then go crazy on the last couple, and if I get a nasty emulsion then I won't be so upset since I already extracted most of the goodies.
 
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landfish, the soda carb advice was for people using lime that got plasticized goop. It converts some of the lime to lye and acts like a dessicant in that scenario. I never tried it with a lye / powder extraction but I honestly don't see how that can help. I really think you just need to wait a few more days and let the lye eat all of that mucilage. It can take the better part of a week ime.
 
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my friends friend has been unable to use a coffee press effectively. usually pushing down on the mixture is met with great resistance and only a small bit of limo comes out. is that how it is for everyone else? or does a lot more come out? this is by following the tek to the letter.
 
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